RIP UK Justice

baron

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So, a drug addict father of 25 kids (23 actually, as two are now dead) by 18 different women tortures his latest newborn baby over a period of at least a week, fracturing her ribs 40 times, cracking her skull and delivering fatal brain damage, then cooks up a plan with his girlfriend to cover up the murder by strapping the dead baby to the latter's chest, boarding a bus then pretending the child had simply passed away. As the girlfriend set off on her journey the couple gave each other the thumbs up. The girlfriend sent a few texts on her phone and then raised the alarm and sat back as fellow passengers attempted to revive the dead baby.

Both were jailed for 11 years which in the UK means a maximum of 5.5 years in jail and the rest on licence, unless further crimes are committed in custody.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4517902/Couple-tortured-allowed-death-baby-jailed.html

(The DM is the only one currently updated with the sentence)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...hysical-abuse-months-old-bailey-a7693666.html

So I'm left wondering what exactly is the point? Why bother? This junkie will come out of jail and deposit his junk in some other excuse for a mother and hey presto another kid appears to be abused and murdered.

US justice has many flaws but is there really any justification for allowing these creatures to continue to breathe air?
 
They were both acquitted of murder, which means the jury could not determine which of them was directly responsible for causing the injuries.
 
It certainly sounds light, based on the available information, but I don't know enough about similar cases to understand how it fits into the overall approach that is taken in such situations.
 
These stories fill me with despair. They happen in Australia too. The culprits are beyond redemption, and the justice system should deal with them harshly. They will be free far too soon and be able to breed again and abuse their offspring. This is not justice.

Sterilisation of both? That would not be out of the question for me.
 
Elaedith said:
They were both acquitted of murder, which means the jury could not determine which of them was directly responsible for causing the injuries.
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And yet a baby was tortured and killed. I'm with baron. No justice here.
 
I agree that the sentences are too light, but given that they were acquitted of murder and convicted of "causing or allowing" the baby's death, the sentences are within the guidelines; the maximum sentence for that is 14 years according to the Sentencing Guidelines.

I don't support the death penalty under any circumstances but I would like to see crimes against the person sentenced more harshly than they are now.
 
I don't think we can say that British justice is dead until justice has run its course. It is perfectly possible that there could be an appeal against the leniency of the sentences.

I thought that a murder charge had the option of conversion to manslaughter, so I am surprised that this wasn't the charge they were convicted of. Perhaps any lawyers here might help with the understanding of that.
 
lionking said:
How about address the issue and ignore baron's hyperbole. What do you do think of the sentence? I think it's a disgraceful joke.
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I'd be surprised if the sentence wasn't appealed and increased. I also suspect that neither will make model prisoners, and so serving the full term is pretty much assured, either way. One would also hope that their obvious pychological problem receive some attention, as well.
 
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Mike! said:
One can always hope something really bad happens to his nuts while he's incarcerated. Better still, something worse happens to his skull.
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No. Let's hope that formal, legitimate justice is done and not hope for any vigilante 'justice'.
 
Elaedith said:
They were both acquitted of murder, which means the jury could not determine which of them was directly responsible for causing the injuries.
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I would think that in the USA, they would both be guilty of felony murder. Which sounds right, and would see them sentenced appropriately.
 
Elaedith said:
They were both acquitted of murder, which means the jury could not determine which of them was directly responsible for causing the injuries.
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This is where the law fails in this instance. It's my understanding that the law permits a reduced charge for multiple people when a) one or more of them has definitely committed murder and b) there is no evidence to demonstrate which. So, if two people go into a room in which a third is murdered then, in the absence of further evidence, neither can be found guilty of murder. What should be the case is that all should be charged with murder, with additional time being given for their non-cooperation.

lionking said:
These stories fill me with despair. They happen in Australia too. The culprits are beyond redemption, and the justice system should deal with them harshly. They will be free far too soon and be able to breed again and abuse their offspring. This is not justice.

Sterilisation of both? That would not be out of the question for me.
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In the absence of harsher punishments that is exactly what I'd mandate. I can't think of a reason not to do so. Of course, proper sentencing would make the issue moot (or so you'd think - it was reported only yesterday that an inmate in a UK prison got a guard pregnant).
 
LTC8K6 said:
Are UK taxpayers paying to raise all those kids?
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Well, it's either that or let them die.

And anyway, it's not a payment, it's an investment. Well looked after and well educated, those kids will pay back in taxes much more than they cost.

Not investing in their future would probably leave the taxpayer paying for their life as adults either by provision of social safety net or at her majesties pleasure.



Edit: I do hope that whoever it was that cause the ******** 'taxes are evil' meme to be spread around the world is burning in agony in a hell I don't believe in.
 
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Yeah, I should probably have expanded a little there.

'all those kids' have done nothing wrong, and deserve support, care and kindness. Their parents are apparently incapable of providing it, so it's down to the rest of us.
 
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