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RIP Castro

Giz said:
Praising those guys is wrong too.
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But praising an American president who invaded a country and killed a couple hundred thousand people is okay?

Statistically speaking I don't think Castro is the bad man in the hemisphere. Idiologically speaking he is seen as bad because Americans don't like commies.
 
qayak said:
But praising an American president who invaded a country and killed a couple hundred thousand people is okay?
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Yeah, I've said some nice things about FDR in my time.

qayak said:
Statistically speaking I don't think Castro is the bad man in the hemisphere. Idiologically speaking he is seen as bad because Americans don't like commies.
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Arguing that someone is bad because of who killed more is silly. (You'll end up saying that America was morally worse than the Axis). Either the killing is justifiable or its not.


If you must revere someone from the Cuban revolution, how about this guy:

William Morgan:
joined the Cuban revolution, became one of only two foreign comandantes (the other was Che Guevara), opposed Castro when the revolution took an undemocratic turn, and was executed by a firing squad in 1961 on Castro’s orders.
 
Giz said:
Yeah, I've said some nice things about FDR in my time.



Arguing that someone is bad because of who killed more is silly. (You'll end up saying that America was morally worse than the Axis). Either the killing is justifiable or its not.


If you must revere someone from the Cuban revolution, how about this guy:

William Morgan:
joined the Cuban revolution, became one of only two foreign comandantes (the other was Che Guevara), opposed Castro when the revolution took an undemocratic turn, and was executed by a firing squad in 1961 on Castro’s orders.
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So, I'm not getting this. We have special measure of evil for Castro that doesn't apply to anyone who may have democracy in mind?

Well I disagree. In the scheme of things Castro isn't even a blip on the map of evil. The U.S. is just butt hurt because he snubbed them for 50 years.
 
Sunday night family dinner. At some point my brother brought up Castro, and I didn't have nice things to say. Then it escalated to an argument and he kept asking why Castro should be considered a bad guy. You mean, apart from being a dictator? I called him a dumb****, but I should have said he's a moral idiot.

On the spectrum of dictators, Castro's relatively benevolent, but people like him because he stuck it to America.
 
Cain said:
Sunday night family dinner. At some point my brother brought up Castro, and I didn't have nice things to say. Then it escalated to an argument and he kept asking why Castro should be considered a bad guy. You mean, apart from being a dictator? I called him a dumb****, but I should have said he's a moral idiot.

On the spectrum of dictators, Castro's relatively benevolent, but people like him because he stuck it to America.
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Benevolent dictatorship is the best form of government.
 
qayak said:
There are no more limits than with any other country we deal with.

And once again, irony of ironies, citizens of the most aggressive country to ever exist, a country that has started and participated in wars around the world, have the audacity to label a country that participated in two or three an evil dictatorship?

The U.S. gets to have its revolutionary war, and force its beliefs on anyone it chooses, but no one else gets the privilege.

Face it, what pisses off America, and Americans, is the fact that Castro won and there's nothing they can do about it.
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Lol
We usually don't start out defining the US as a war mongering nation. The simple reason is, we are responsible for freedom and the sole owners of keeping nations free around the world, even your country. If it wasn't for the United States you ALL would be ruled by dictators, every last person reading this thread would be govererned by a dictator. When our country goes under, it will be over for countries around the world.
 
logger said:
Lol
We usually don't start out defining the US as a war mongering nation. The simple reason is, we are responsible for freedom and the sole owners of keeping nations free around the world, even your country. If it wasn't for the United States you ALL would be ruled by dictators, every last person reading this thread would be govererned by a dictator. When our country goes under, it will be over for countries around the world.
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Genuinely can't tell if serious. You are joking right?
 
logger said:
Lol
We usually don't start out defining the US as a war mongering nation. The simple reason is, we are responsible for freedom and the sole owners of keeping nations free around the world, even your country. If it wasn't for the United States you ALL would be ruled by dictators, every last person reading this thread would be govererned by a dictator. When our country goes under, it will be over for countries around the world.
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The trouble is that's the delusion a lot of Americans live under and just shows you why indoctrinating children is such a bad thing to do.
 
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qayak said:
Benevolent dictatorship is the best form of government.
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That's probably true, but Castro is not reputed to have been particularly benevolent, merely not as murderous as many other dictators, which isn't much to boast about.

The problem with benevolent dictatorship - and it is insoluble - is what happens if the dictator goes off his or her nut and ceases to be benevolent? Or when he or she dies, who will take over? There is no democracy to ensure the benevolence of the next ruler, and the chances that a psychotic or corrupt individual will seize or buy his or her way into power is very high.
 
Primus said:
Genuinely can't tell if serious. You are joking right?
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qayak said:
The trouble is that's the delusion a lot of Americans live under and just shows you why indoctrinating children is such a bad thing to do.
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Most who believe in freedom would agree with my post. That doesn't include the extreme left, socialists and communists. They are usually regarded as the enemy that needs to be defeated.
 
Craig B said:
That's probably true, but Castro is not reputed to have been particularly benevolent, merely not as murderous as many other dictators, which isn't much to boast about.

The problem with benevolent dictatorship - and it is insoluble - is what happens if the dictator goes off his or her nut and ceases to be benevolent? Or when he or she dies, who will take over? There is no democracy to ensure the benevolence of the next ruler, and the chances that a psychotic or corrupt individual will seize or buy his or her way into power is very high.
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Lol

Has there ever been a dictator that DIDN'T go off his nut?
 
qayak said:
Pretty sure they're not. You can always tell when a right wing American enters the conversation. :thumbsup:
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And we can always identify the evil socialists and communists too. Just look where ever misery is cheered for. ;)
 
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logger said:
Lol

Has there ever been a dictator that DIDN'T go off his nut?
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I fear you'll soon find out if you're really not joking about the preposterous imperialism you were expounding in #69. You'll know only too soon about being governed by the kind of dictators who think they have a mission to save the world, if you were really being serious in that post.
 
Craig B said:
I fear you'll soon find out if you're really not joking about the preposterous imperialism you were expounding in #69. You'll know only too soon about being governed by the kind of dictators who think they have a mission to save the world, if you were really being serious in that post.
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Lol

You're okay with a "benevolent dictator" but you're in fear that somehow president Trump is going to become one. Even with the many checks and balances we have. And you weren't concerned when Obama governed by executive order. There is a word that describes your fear.

I don't fear any US leader on the right, when a politician STARTS with the idea of smaller government, its kinda hard to end up with a dictator, not forgetting our checks on government takeover.
 
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