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RIP Castro

theprestige said:
Castro caused the deaths that it was in his power to cause. It seems clear from his policies that if his power had extended over a larger populace, his death toll would have been larger as well.

The model you're looking for is not Abraham Lincoln or George W. Bush. It's Josef Stalin.
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That's not true. Many Batista supporters were released without consequence. Scholars state that the ones executed were guilty of the crimes they were accused of and only have an issue with the fact that the course of justice was bypassed. You must remember also that Batista took over with a coup of his own, preempting the legal election, and his regime carried out between several hundred and 20,000 executions, depending on the source.

Batista ran off with billions of dollars in Cuba's money while Castro nationalized his own family's lands along with the lands of large corporations.

LGBTQ people were persecuted in the early years of Castro's regime and he took full responsibility for that and said it should never have happened.

Castro censored the press that was by that time a bullhorn for Batista who had removed any publication that did not support him.

Castro immediately increased the number of children being educated in Cuba from nearly none to most. That rate continued to climb until 100% were being educated.

Castro also got rid of the influence of religion in government by declaring his government atheist. People were allowed to practice their religion just not allowed to let it influence policy. An ideal most countries still haven't managed to achieve.


In regard to Angola, remember this:

The Portuguese vengeance was awesome. The police helped civilian vigilantes organize nightly slaughters in the Luanda slums. The whites hauled Africans from their flimsy one-room huts, shot them and left their bodies in the streets. A Methodist missionary... testified that he personally knew of the deaths of almost three hundred.
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Yes, Castro exported his revolution but there was not only a reason, one could argue there was a need. It isn't just the U.S. that gets to be proud of it's civil war, patriots of other countries fought just as hard and just as heroically.
 
Best Prime Minister ever:

It is with deep sorrow that I learned today of the death of Cuba’s longest serving President.

Fidel Castro was a larger than life leader who served his people for almost half a century. A legendary revolutionary and orator, Mr. Castro made significant improvements to the education and healthcare of his island nation.

While a controversial figure, both Mr. Castro’s supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for “el Comandante".

I know my father was very proud to call him a friend and I had the opportunity to meet Fidel when my father passed away. It was also a real honour to meet his three sons and his brother President Raúl Castro during my recent visit to Cuba.

On behalf of all Canadians, Sophie and I offer our deepest condolences to the family, friends and many, many supporters of Mr. Castro. We join the people of Cuba today in mourning the loss of this remarkable leader.

(Justin Trudeau)
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Plus Canadians had a great place to vacation without ugly Americans ruining everything. :D
 
theprestige said:
And yet somehow even Canadia could not prevent the masses of Havana from living in abject poverty and using battery acid for beauty cream.
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What's Canada got to do with the U.S. embargo doing what embargoes are meant to do?
 
qayak said:
What's Canada got to do with the U.S. embargo doing what embargoes are meant to do?
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You're asking the wrong question. The right question is, what's Canadia got to do with Cuba?

Obviously the US embargo wasn't meant to stop Canadia from having commerce with Cuba, and from supporting Cuban industry. The tourism industry, for example, as you yourself pointed out.
 
Joey McGee said:
So unbelievably stupid, trollish and ignorant.
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When your best argument is to spout your inane rhetoric I don't think you are in any position to comment on my intelligence level. Try busting out an actual argument that uses some actual reasoning.
 
theprestige said:
You're asking the wrong question. The right question is, what's Canadia got to do with Cuba?

Obviously the US embargo wasn't meant to stop Canadia from having commerce with Cuba, and from supporting Cuban industry. The tourism industry, for example, as you yourself pointed out.
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You make it sound like U.S. citizens and companies supported the embargo and yet they tried to go around it in so many ways. For instance, when Canada was helping Cuba with oil exploration and U.S. companies violated laws to try get a piece of tge action, or when many Americans went through other countries, Canada included, to vacation in Cuba.
 
theprestige said:
You're not a USAian province, either. What were the limits on Canadian trade with Cuba?
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There are no more limits than with any other country we deal with.

And once again, irony of ironies, citizens of the most aggressive country to ever exist, a country that has started and participated in wars around the world, have the audacity to label a country that participated in two or three an evil dictatorship?

The U.S. gets to have its revolutionary war, and force its beliefs on anyone it chooses, but no one else gets the privilege.

Face it, what pisses off America, and Americans, is the fact that Castro won and there's nothing they can do about it.
 
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qayak said:
There are no more limits than with any other country we deal with.

And once again, irony of ironies, citizens of the most aggressive country to ever exist, a country that has started and participated in wars around the world, have the audacity to label a country that participated in two or three an evil dictatorship?

The U.S. gets to have its revolutionary war, and force its beliefs on anyone it chooses, but no one else gets the privilege.

Face it, what pisses off America, and Americans, is the fact that Castro won and there's nothing they can do about it.
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We sent over Kanye West and some Kardashians. Oh, we won.

qayak said:
You mean the dead deaths, right, not the somewhat, or mostly dead? :rolleyes:
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Settle down.
 
qayak said:
I understand the American indoctrination system is very powerful but should the contradictions be so blatant on a skeptics forum? That it doesn't result in a level of cognitive dissonance that makes their heads explode is amazing.
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For a head to explode there has be something in it other than vacuum.
 
Giz said:
That was nauseating. Praising a dictator for "serving" his people?
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Like a president elect praising Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Un, and Putin. Where's your outrage, Giz?
 
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