Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Emily's Cat said:
:confused: What CT is this now?
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The one that holds that off duty cops were wrong to be part of the attempted coup. Clearly as they were cops they were right to be there to exicute those opposed to the rightful government.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/15/956896923/police-officers-across-nation-face-federal-charges-for-involvement-in-capitol-ri

https://time.com/5929398/police-officers-involved-capitol-riots-charges/

They are only supposed to be attacking black people on the job, not police officers and the government in their free time!
 
Emily's Cat said:
Soo... just to catch up... are the cops the good guys in the Capitol, but the bad guys in Portland?

Are the rioters outlier miscreants unrelated to the protest in Portland? Are the rioters innate elements of the protest driving intentional violence in the Capitol?

What's the rules here? In Portland, cops are bad and rioters are unfortunate exceptions to the protest... and in the Capitol, cops are the good guys and protesters are the rare exceptions to the rioting?
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The rule is, cops should use appropriate levels of force.

Black people want to march nonviolently? Police should allow it in almost all circumstances

White supremacists violently attack the Capitol in the hopes of overthrowing a democratically elected government? Crowd dispersal, and lethal force if necessary, are allowable, but don't pose for photos and wave them in.

Oddly, police tend to respond violently to protestors (the worst of which was the year-long siege of a neighborhood in Ferguson, and the wild overuse of tear gas in Portland), but grin and wave at white supremacists right up until one of them starts murdering cops - at which point the cops begin attacking random black people in response.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
They're only expected if Chauvin gets away with murder. If he's convicted, it'll be a giant street party.
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You guys need to really work on your reading comprehension, I was referring to the capitol insurrection. But since you bring it up: obviously and clearly, there will be rioting if Chauvin gets away with murder and they will need to make use of fences in such a scenario. It is also important that they protect the building during jury selection process which it appears they are doing.
 
johnny karate said:
“Unpredictable” was the word you used.
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Are you actually confused about the distinction between the predictability of what happens at a riot vs. the predictability of a riot occurring or are you pretending to be confused?
What happens at a riot is obviously unpredictable whereas the occurrence of rioting can be very predictable.
Here is an example:
If Derek Chauvin is acquitted, there will be a riot (predictable)
Who gets hurt or killed, what gets burned or damaged, etc is more difficult to predict.
 
portlandatheist said:
Are you actually confused about the distinction between the predictability of what happens at a riot vs. the predictability of a riot occurring or are you pretending to be confused?
What happens at a riot is obviously unpredictable whereas the occurrence of rioting can be very predictable.
Here is an example:
If Derek Chauvin is acquitted, there will be a riot (predictable)
Who gets hurt or killed, what gets burned or damaged, etc is more difficult to predict.
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Cool, as long as we’re acknowledging that riots don’t spontaneously turn into insurrections.
 
portlandatheist said:
Are you actually confused about the distinction between the predictability of what happens at a riot vs. the predictability of a riot occurring or are you pretending to be confused?
What happens at a riot is obviously unpredictable whereas the occurrence of rioting can be very predictable.
Here is an example:
If Derek Chauvin is acquitted, there will be a riot (predictable)
Who gets hurt or killed, what gets burned or damaged, etc is more difficult to predict.
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How predictable is any rioting, given that most such "we're ignoring all evidence and passing down a not guilty verdict" cases result in little or no rioting at all - except in cases where cops immediately begin to riot? and attack protest groups?

If anything, an actual guilty verdict would be the unpredicted result, and a cause for celebration among protestors.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
A knife in his car? That's pretty weak.

I have a knife in my car. Hell, I probably have 2 knives in my car, you know how it is, things go into the glove box and disappear forever.


Does that mean I can get shot 7 times in the back by a cop?

Really enjoying the Twitter detectives blowing up the grainy video and claiming to see a knife in Blake's hand.
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I was right.


The left-wing media, once again, whipped a bunch of gullible morons into a frenzy that caused massive amounts of rioting, looting and violence by blatantly lying to them.


During a news conference, Graveley said Officer Rusten Sheskey, who shot Blake seven times, was justified in his use of force on Aug. 23 because Blake was armed with a knife, refused orders to drop it and made a motion as if he was going to stab Sheskey. He said the evidence shows Sheskey fired in self-defense.

Graveley said Blake admitted to investigators that he was armed with a knife throughout the entire encounter with the officers.
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Any member of the media who reported that Blake was unarmed should be prosecuted for inciting a riot.
 
I see the cop used the "I'm trained to keep shooting till they drop" defense, aka the Poodle Protocol. Just too damned stupid to do anything but overkill.

Also says Blake was coming at him with the knife. Backwards and still in the car, from the video. Yeah, that warrants seven bullets in the back at point blank range in the space of about two seconds. Give that poodle a Milk-Bone.
 
Thermal said:
I see the cop used the "I'm trained to keep shooting till they drop" defense, aka the Poodle Protocol. Just too damned stupid to do anything but overkill.

Also says Blake was coming at him with the knife. Backwards and still in the car, from the video. Yeah, that warrants seven bullets in the back at point blank range in the space of about two seconds. Give that poodle a Milk-Bone.
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Also known as shooting until there is no longer a threat.

Both officers involved and two separate eyewitnesses from the neighborhood testified that Blake turned and thrust his right hand, the hand holding the knife, toward the officer in a stabbing motion.
 
Mumbles said:
How predictable is any rioting, given that most such "we're ignoring all evidence and passing down a not guilty verdict" cases result in little or no rioting at all - except in cases where cops immediately begin to riot? and attack protest groups?

If anything, an actual guilty verdict would be the unpredicted result, and a cause for celebration among protestors.
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It is very predictable that a "ignore the evidence and give a not guilty verdict" will result in riots. Let's hope the jury does the right thing and let's be grateful that they have protected the building that potential jurors are going to with a fence. Many people around here were super butthurt that fences were used to protect government buildings and government continuity in PDX.
 
portlandatheist said:
It is very predictable that a "ignore the evidence and give a not guilty verdict" will result in riots. Let's hope the jury does the right thing and let's be grateful that they have protected the building that potential jurors are going to with a fence. Many people around here were super butthurt that fences were used to protect government buildings and government continuity in PDX.
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I can think of a total of one such case in the past few years - that of Ferguson, where an egregiously violent and racist police force openly treated the community like a war zone filled with enemy combatants throughout the year - while often leaving it to the protestors to provide actual protection to stores and other property, despite being, in many cases, within eyesight of any actual problems. And all of that in favor of what amounted to a white supremacist shakedown scheme to fund the town's government by inflicting onerous fines on black residents. This is hardly what I would consider "very predictable" - unless you're alleging that open white supremacist scams are the order of the day throughout US police forces.
 
portlandatheist said:
Many people around here were super butthurt that fences were used to protect government buildings and government continuity in PDX.
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There’s beating a dead horse and then there’s reanimating its corpse so you can kill it and beat it over and over again.
 
There is some good news for a change: The Apple store has reopened this Monday after being closed for 9 months. It has removed the boards, fences, and barricades.
 
Joey Gibson, leader of Washington state extremist group Patriot Prayer, will shortly be going to trial over his involvement in his group's attack on the bar Cider Riot.

Joey Gibson, leader of far-right Patriot Prayer, will have to face charges over his involvement in a 2019 street brawl. A fed judge tossed his claim that his riot charge was part of a "sham prosecution" meant to "shut him up."
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https://twitter.com/karinapdx/status/1365453479729225728

This incident, made famous by fascist propagandist Andy Ngo, was originally portrayed as a spontaneous fight between Patriot Prayer and antifascists at the bar. An inside informant later produced video showing that the attack was premeditated by the right wing group. Andy Ngo was present during the planning of the attack and did not include any of this in his original reporting.

Several members of Patriot Prayer were indicted for the attack, some have already plead guilty.

Gibson's trial for felony riot begins March 8th.

https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-rejects-far-right-leaders-claims-of-political-persecution/
 
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More good news:
Portland rioter Malik Muhammad has been charged with two counts of attempted aggravated murder and other crimes.
KGW reports
According to a law enforcement source, the attempted aggravated murder charges stem from two separate incidents in which Muhammad is suspected of throwing lit Molotov cocktails at police officers.
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Muhammad is also accused of using a metal baton to smash out windows at the Oregon Historical Society, Portland State University and other businesses during an Oct. 11 riot in downtown Portland, according to court records. An undercover FBI agent said they watched Muhammad break the windows.
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I'm wondering if he was the same person who stole and damaged the Afro-American Heritage Bicentennial Commemorative Quilt from the Historical Society.
 
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