Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

The way I see it, here's a solution to the rioting open to the police.

1. The current police leadership has to go. They have completely shot their credibility with the protesters. This includes various mid-level officers. Out with them.

2. The new leadership calls a meeting with the various protester organisations, community leaders, someone with Antifa-cred etc.

3. They present a contract where police take responsibility for failing to protect the demonstrators' first amendment rights and for brutality against the protesters. They pledge to purge the force of officers aligned with the extreme right and officers who have been shown to be guilty of brutality. They also promise to protect the protesters from violent from right wing agitators and to arrest the right wing agitators that have outstanding warrants. Further, they will keep the right wingers away from the protesters.

4. The protesters pledge to do their civic duty when it comes to looters, reporting them to the police and not to interfere when they are apprehended. Further, no more avoidable property damage. They also pledge not to engage right wingers, except in self-defense, but instead to report their presence to the police so that they can be escorted away.

The result of all parties upholding such pledges would be peaceful protests protected against fascists by the police, as well as a police force purged of unsavory elements.

ETA: I realize this isn't going to happen, as it assumes that the police is inherently a force for good with "a few bad apples", which they have shown themselves not to be.
 
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Oregonian article:
Oregon voters disapprove of Portland protests, feel police aren’t using enough force, poll finds
Portland Tribune Article:
Survey: Most voters disappove of Portland protests

According to the survey, 66% of Oregon voters disapprove of the ongoing protests in Portland and few believe that they have been helpful to Black Portlanders, race relations, or efforts to make police reforms. Only 31% approve of them.

That includes 61% of voters in the tri-county area, which is the most liberal part of the state. There, only 36% approve of them.
A majority of Oregonian voters — 56% — believe that the protests in Portland have been mostly violent. At the same time, just 29% feel that the Portland police have used too much force.

In fact, a majority of Oregon voters believe that "riot" is a more accurate description than "protest" of the ongoing events in Portland by a margin of 55% to 37%.

Nearly six in 10 Oregon voters disapprove of how Trump (59%), Brown (57%), and Wheeler (58%) are responding to the ongoing protests.
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The rioters can piss off already. You're not welcome here.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
It's a real mess of conflicting narratives, not least of which is that the cops on the scene have told contradictory stories. Another case where body cams would be helpful to exonerate wrongly accused cops, or expose police murder, depending on the facts. Why do cops oppose bodycams?
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I thought that was the feds. If so, it seems of a piece with their practice of not recording interviews. It's bad practice in this day and age.

Whether or not Reinoehl was armed and ever shot seems like the kind of thing that can be known with a high level of certainty through an examination of the crime scene, but that would require a degree of transparency from the police. I'm not holding my breath.
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I don't know how much will be reported, but the forensics will definitely be able to tell if he fired his gun.
 
portlandatheist said:
Oregonian article:
Oregon voters disapprove of Portland protests, feel police aren’t using enough force, poll finds
Portland Tribune Article:
Survey: Most voters disappove of Portland protests
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Seems to be consistent with Portland being about 70% white.

The rioters can piss off already. You're not welcome here.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is getting old, got anything new?
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portlandatheist said:
Oregonian article:
Oregon voters disapprove of Portland protests, feel police aren’t using enough force, poll finds
Portland Tribune Article:
Survey: Most voters disappove of Portland protests



The rioters can piss off already. You're not welcome here.
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Who gives a **** what "Oregon voters" think of Portland. These are the same goddamn morons that think antifa is setting forest fires and calling for journalists to be shot dead.

Portland residents support the protests. The people who actually live in the jurisdiction of the PPB think the police are the problem.

This survey comes after a separate survey of 435 Portland voters published Tuesday showed Wheeler drew an unfavorable rating of 63%, around three-quarters of respondents said they supported the Black Lives Matter movement and close to 70% said they supported the Portland protests. The findings of that poll indicated most likely voters in Portland view Portland police’s use of force as a serious concern.
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Besides when the whole point is the mistreatment of a minority by a majority going "Well most people don't see the problem" seems like a case of missing the point on a massive scale.

Yeah and as an old, bawdy joke I once heard put it "5 out of 6 people think gang rapes are fun."
 
Emily's Cat said:
I think the protests and the social attention on the issue have served the purpose of raising awareness and making it an issue that clearly needs to be addressed.



I don't think that riots have helped at all. And I think that the longer the rioting continues, the less likely we are to be able to give the issue of racial inequity in the justice system the attention that it needs.
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Then why aren't "they" doing it now?
 
Scott Adams Tweeted

@ScottAdamsSays
I wonder if BLM knows Antifa was allied with Hitler and helped him come to power. It feels as if that would be a source of tension, given BLM's focus on history. Does Antifa owe reparations to anyone who lost a family member or property to Nazi Germany?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Scott Adams Tweeted

@ScottAdamsSays
I wonder if BLM knows Antifa was allied with Hitler and helped him come to power. It feels as if that would be a source of tension, given BLM's focus on history. Does Antifa owe reparations to anyone who lost a family member or property to Nazi Germany?
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Say whaaaaaaaat?!?!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Scott Adams Tweeted

@ScottAdamsSays
I wonder if BLM knows Antifa was allied with Hitler and helped him come to power. It feels as if that would be a source of tension, given BLM's focus on history. Does Antifa owe reparations to anyone who lost a family member or property to Nazi Germany?
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Is he drunk?`
 
Trump Tweets

They are not “peaceful protesters”, as Sleepy Joe and the Democrats call them, they are THUGS - And it is all taking place in Democrat run cities. Call me and request Federal HELP. We will solve your problems in a matter of minutes - And thanks to the U.S. Marshalls in Portland!
 
Max_mang said:
Would the fact the FBI thinks so help you believe?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

I purposely used a link from 2016 and a neutral source like PBS to avoid anyone thinking this is just a knee-jerk reaction to current events. Just search "FBI says police aligned with white supremacist groups" for tons of articles spanning many years.
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I've also seen claims that in Los Angeles police have been infiltrated by Latino gangs.

I believe what PBS says, but many millions of people would not rate it as a credible source.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

They are not “peaceful protesters”, as Sleepy Joe and the Democrats call them, they are THUGS - And it is all taking place in Democrat run cities. Call me and request Federal HELP. We will solve your problems in a matter of minutes - And thanks to the U.S. Marshalls in Portland!
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He loves the U.S. marshals but repeatedly, he can't be arsed to get the name of the agency right.

Do his supporters care all that much about what happens in Portland?

I doubt if he knows the difference between marshals, martial and Marshalls.

ETA: Maybe he'll slip and make a reference to "marshal law," which is a good thing, right?
 
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Ziggurat said:
“Two other witnesses also told the Olympian they had seen Reinoehl fire a weapon at police.”

But that doesn’t make as dramatic a headline, so they leave that buried in the text.
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One of those "witnesses" said Reinoehl had an AR-15-type rifle. He didn't. I do hope that, as you suggest, ballistics will tell a more complete and reliable story.
 
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