Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Mike! said:
As the parent of two autistic boys, I have to wonder why she called the police in the first place. Asperger syndrome makes him pretty high functioning, what on earth could have required any police intervention? This story lacks far too many details for any sort of judgement on who to blame for what happened, starting with why the cops were called in the first place.
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This is interesting logic. Is the mother to blame for calling the cops who shot her son? I suppose if you assume that cops are unhinged, violent maniacs, much like a rabid dog, then yes, she is to blame.

Perhaps she was under the delusion that cops were professionals that know how to use discretion and not shoot their way out of every problem.
 
Mike! said:
As the parent of two autistic boys, I have to wonder why she called the police in the first place. Asperger syndrome makes him pretty high functioning, what on earth could have required any police intervention? This story lacks far too many details for any sort of judgement on who to blame for what happened, starting with why the cops were called in the first place.
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Does it matter?

You should be able to call the police for something that maybe you shouldn't have called the police on without it turning into murder.

"Murder" can't be the default police response for literally anything that goes... not even wrong but "less than perfect."

This isn't a news story about a viral video of a couple of cops cussing this woman out for wasting their time. That would be radically different.

(ETA: And yes pedantic twits of the world I know the boy is still alive. My point stands with an "attempted" modifier.)
 
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Mike! said:
As the parent of two autistic boys, I have to wonder why she called the police in the first place. Asperger syndrome makes him pretty high functioning, what on earth could have required any police intervention? This story lacks far too many details for any sort of judgement on who to blame for what happened, starting with why the cops were called in the first place.
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In the article it says she requested a "crisis intervention team" - sounds like there may be a team specially set up for such actions - perhaps it's a mixed unit with say a CPS as well as cops?
 
Thermal said:
When white boy Daniel Shaver was murdered by police, BLM was one of a very few who were publically outraged. These people will literally let their own children be killed in exchange for living under neo-fascists. Its just stunning.
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There was a local case where a guy was shot by State Police because he was working on his daughter's car on the side of the road and had a gun in his belt. Actually, it was like this:
His daughter's car broke down. She called her dad to come fix it. Before he did that, he called the police and told them that he was going out to fix his daughter's car. They still shot him. For the record, he was white.

When the recent protests broke out, there were concerns that the State Police stations were going to be victims of violence because of this.

That's right, they were worried about BLM riots over the unjustified police shooting of a white guy.

Hmmmm, it's almost like they realize that BLM isn't just about the B....
 
pgwenthold said:
There was a local case where a guy was shot by State Police because he was working on his daughter's car on the side of the road and had a gun in his belt. Actually, it was like this:
His daughter's car broke down. She called her dad to come fix it. Before he did that, he called the police and told them that he was going out to fix his daughter's car. They still shot him. For the record, he was white.

When the recent protests broke out, there were concerns that the State Police stations were going to be victims of violence because of this.

That's right, they were worried about BLM riots over the unjustified police shooting of a white guy.

Hmmmm, it's almost like they realize that BLM isn't just about the B....
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What were the riots like?
 
Mike! said:
As the parent of two autistic boys, I have to wonder why she called the police in the first place. Asperger syndrome makes him pretty high functioning, what on earth could have required any police intervention? This story lacks far too many details for any sort of judgement on who to blame for what happened, starting with why the cops were called in the first place.
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Before I visited Russia, I bought the Lonely Planet guide and read in the section on "dangers and annoyances" that there are a number of police organizations and that I would be advised avoiding all contact with any of them.

If I ever visit the US again, this is basically the exact advice I would give myself.
 
"Black people we're only going to listen to you when you start acting better."
"Did you listen to us when we were acting better?"
*Laughs* "Of course I wasn't."
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
This is interesting logic. Is the mother to blame for calling the cops who shot her son? I suppose if you assume that cops are unhinged, violent maniacs, much like a rabid dog, then yes, she is to blame.

Perhaps she was under the delusion that cops were professionals that know how to use discretion and not shoot their way out of every problem.
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JoeMorgue said:
Does it matter?

You should be able to call the police for something that maybe you shouldn't have called the police on without it turning into murder.

"Murder" can't be the default police response for literally anything that goes... not even wrong but "less than perfect."

This isn't a news story about a viral video of a couple of cops cussing this woman out for wasting their time. That would be radically different.

(ETA: And yes pedantic twits of the world I know the boy is still alive. My point stands with an "attempted" modifier.)
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Darat said:
In the article it says she requested a "crisis intervention team" - sounds like there may be a team specially set up for such actions - perhaps it's a mixed unit with say a CPS as well as cops?
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I guess I should have noted, from the get go, that yeah, I'm horrified by the cops response and am grateful the child isn't dead. I'm not, despite how it comes off, blaming the mother for the shooting, that falls 100% on the cop that pulled the trigger, apparently several times.

What I was clumsily trying to ask is, what had happened that led up to "requiring" the police, at all. Asperger syndrome, while on the ASD, it's a very high functioning form of autism. I don't think wondering about the events that got the cops there in the first place is out of line.

There's no right way to shoot a fleeing child, but what happened that made a cop draw and fire at all?
Not asking for an excuse, I just want the series of events.

I say all that having had to call the police concerning one of my children once, many years ago.
 
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It's just the Stages of White Grief.

denial - there is no such thing as systemic racism by the cops

anger - how dare you demand to be treated like a human being instead of the criminals that you are?

bargaining - if you stop protesting, we will throw you a bone

Still waiting for the next two stages.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's just the Stages of White Grief.

denial - there is no such thing as systemic racism by the cops

anger - how dare you demand to be treated like a human being instead of the criminals that you are?

bargaining - if you stop protesting, we will throw you a bone

Still waiting for the next two stages.
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Pretty sure the next one is : rationalization- well we wouldn't have tear gassed you and shot you with rubber bullets if you were a little more polite
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's just the Stages of White Grief.

denial - there is no such thing as systemic racism by the cops

anger - how dare you demand to be treated like a human being instead of the criminals that you are?

bargaining - if you stop protesting, we will throw you a bone

Still waiting for the next two stages.
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Thermal said:
Pretty sure the next one is : rationalization- well we wouldn't have tear gassed you and shot you with rubber bullets if you were a little more polite
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Distraction - "Okay fine we'll talk about systematic racism including police openly executing black people in the streets with no reprisal.... after we talk about literally every other topic in the universe."
 
Mike! said:
I guess I should have noted, from the get go, that yeah, I'm horrified by the cops response and am grateful the child isn't dead. I'm not, despite how it comes off, blaming the mother for the shooting, that falls 100% on the cop that pulled the trigger, apparently several times.
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That's all you need to say.
 
Police shot Portland slaying suspect without warning or trying to arrest him first, witness says

In fact, according to Nate Dinguss, Reinoehl was clutching a cellphone and eating a gummy worm as he walked to his car outside an apartment complex in Lacey, Wash. That’s when officers opened fire without first announcing themselves or trying to arrest him, Dinguss, a 39-year-old who lives in the apartment complex, said in a statement shared with The Washington Post.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/reinoehl-portland-antifa-killing-police/
 
Oh good. The police have decided to start shooting white people for no reason as well so they can no longer be accused of being racist.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Oh good. The police have decided to start shooting white people for no reason as well so they can no longer be accused of being racist.
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The dividing line on who can get shot without a second thought is not purely racial.
It's between those look like they can and those who look like they can't hire a good lawyer to sue the Police for a decade.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's just the Stages of White Grief.

denial - there is no such thing as systemic racism by the cops

anger - how dare you demand to be treated like a human being instead of the criminals that you are?

bargaining - if you stop protesting, we will throw you a bone

Still waiting for the next two stages.
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Or...as Tupac warned back in the 90s...



BLM marched, cops responded with wild violence.

Colin Kaepernick took a knee, no less than our idiot president pressured the NFL to blackball him (which whining about "cancel culture", no less), to the cheers of white pseudo-conservatives everywhere.

Okay, message received. Nonviolence will be met with brutality. So, let's try violence, then. Seems to be the native tongue of the pseudo-conservative - the cops who liken themselves to "sheepdogs", when they're really just psychotic kitten-drowners, the CaptainHowdy types who cheer them on while discussing how black people "chimp out", and so forth.

Don't get angry, they're just communicating in a way y'all should be able to understand.
 
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