Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

[GaughEyad]

I don’t think this is a fair assessment.

Ziggurat might also be talking about the right wing militias that are roaming the streets and murdering people.

Considering that they're working hand-in-hand with the police this seems to be a distinction without a purpose.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I don’t think this is a fair assessment.

Ziggurat might also be talking about the right wing militias that are roaming the streets and murdering people.

It's not murder if it's white supremacists doing it.

 

[johnny karate]

Considering that they're working hand-in-hand with the police this seems to be a distinction without a purpose.

Fair point.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, of Antioch, Illinois has been charged with first-degree murder according to documents reviewed by the Daily Dot.

According to the Lake County, Illinois Clerk of Courts public records, obtained by the Daily Dot, Rittenhouse has been charged with first-degree murder in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and labeled a “fugitive from justice.” The complaint states that Rittenhouse “fled the state of Wisconsin with intent to avoid prosecution for that offense.”

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/2-killed-by-vigilante-wisconsin/

It should be restated that he clearly surrendered himself to the cops, with the bodies of his victims in plain view and murder weapon hanging from his sling, and they just drove off and let him go. It's obvious that the cops see these militia nuts as on their side.

As the RNC celebrates the McCloskey's, who are famous for pointing guns at unarmed protesters, perhaps it's time for the right to think about the message they are sending out. Kyle is 17 years old and killed 2 people last night and is wanted on charges for 1st degree murder. He murdered 2 people and pissed his life away, and I would bet the non-stop narrative from the right about how it's good to harm protesters has a lot to do with his decisions that night.

 

[johnny karate]

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/2-killed-by-vigilante-wisconsin/

It should be restated that he clearly surrendered himself to the cops, with the bodies of his victims in plain view and murder weapon hanging from his sling, and they just drove off and let him go. It's obvious that the cops see these militia nuts as on their side.

That’s horrific and everything, but a group of people shouted at a lady for no apparent reason. Let’s keep our priorities in order.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Breaking reports that Kyle Rittenhouse arrested in Illinois on the first degree murder charge.

To think, Kyle could have just stayed home rather than travelling to another town for the purpose of killing protesters.

Looking forward to finding out how a 17 year old had access to a rifle and a car to travel overnight to a riot out of state.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/2-killed-by-vigilante-wisconsin/

It should be restated that he clearly surrendered himself to the cops, with the bodies of his victims in plain view and murder weapon hanging from his sling, and they just drove off and let him go. It's obvious that the cops see these militia nuts as on their side.

I wonder how sustainable this level of corruption, violence, partisanship, and, frankly, open racism really is. It appeals to the trump thugs, and if he remains in power, there sure as **** won't be consequences from him. But the people in the streets? The regular voters? I'm not sure if I see them just giving up and going back to their daily lives any time soon.

Corruption has been this bad for a long time, but something is different about the people's reaction this time around. I think we have Trump to thank for that. He made all the trolls come out of their caves. He made the rot in the US system apparent for all to see.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

That’s horrific and everything, but a group of people shouted at a lady for no apparent reason. Let’s keep our priorities in order.

I think the polarization and post-fact nature of Western discourse will take longer to fix than the out-of-control police force. And be more damaging to democracy.

ETA

Welcome to another ISF thread full of whataboutisms, fringe resets twice per page, "trigger the libs with their own phrases", and a few brief moments of unmasked bigotry.

I think the polarization and post-fact nature of Western discourse will take longer to fix than the out-of-control police force. And be more damaging to democracy.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

We will NOT stand for looting, arson, violence, and lawlessness on American streets. My team just got off the phone with Governor Evers who agreed to accept federal assistance (Portland should do the same!)...

...TODAY, I will be sending federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Kenosha, WI to restore LAW and ORDER!

 

[Distracted1]

Trump Tweets

We will NOT stand for looting, arson, violence, and lawlessness on American streets. My team just got off the phone with Governor Evers who agreed to accept federal assistance (Portland should do the same!)...

...TODAY, I will be sending federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Kenosha, WI to restore LAW and ORDER!

Current polling on real clear politics shows Biden averaging +3.5 in Wisconsin.
If this changes after federal action, that could be educational.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Huh?

Pretzel logic ala Kevin Bacon. China makes fentanyl. The victim purportedly used fentanyl. A cop killed the victim, not fentanyl. And now China is sufficiently complicit to merit a callout.

That's asinine arm waving, not critical thinking. And you're defending it with straw.

Let's be sure to also assign blame to the FDA for approving the drug, doctors for prescribing the drug, and pharmacies for dispensing the drug.

Hey, I'm not saying it was good logic. Just that Zig wasn't saying that China killed Floyd.

I'm quite happy to spread the blame for the opioid problem to doctors, lawyers, lying manufacturers, China, and well... probably a bunch of other hapless turds who happily let it happen.

 

[William Parcher]

Trump Tweets

We will NOT stand for looting, arson, violence, and lawlessness on American streets. My team just got off the phone with Governor Evers who agreed to accept federal assistance (Portland should do the same!)...

...TODAY, I will be sending federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Kenosha, WI to restore LAW and ORDER!

By using government forces against and to stop this violent anarchy he might seal his re-election victory. That is unless Democrats can envision Biden doing the same thing.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Then why wouldn't similar protests in the US benefit predominantly democratic nations?

For better or for worse (probably worse), the US is the big hitter in the world, and a significant driver of policy across the globe. For the most part, a lot of our international policy and the stances we take benefit countries that are predominantly democratic in structure, and detriment countries that are communist, totalitarian, or similar in nature (even when we've helped create those messes in the first place).

Instability in the US weakens the role of the US internationally, it directs our attention inward. This also effectively reduces our supporting role toward our allies, and reduces our opposition to our adversaries.

 

[Bubba]

This worries me too. I don't want four more years of that, but I see this more in terms of local politics. I don't live there but if I did, I could consider voting differently when it comes to the mayoral election.


I don't know if this affects how people think about the presidential race or congress, but I do think it would make me think about how to vote at the local level.



Most of them will probably get away with it I imagine, as I don't see police anywhere.

Antifa and BLM are covertly organized at national levels

 

[Bubba]

I haven't heard anyone call looting and rioting peaceful protest.

ALL major media do so.

I saw a CNN reporter on scene, while buildings were burning and looters were running around behind him, and he says

"The protests are mostly peaceful tonight"

 

[Emily's Cat]

No you don't get it.

I'm not saying (given the context of the incident and the information I have as of the writing of the post) the woman did anything to deserve anything. I'm not saying the people screaming at her are good.

Jesus christ. Okay, if this actually were a war, and there was the "Protester" side against the "Cops" side of the war... what we keep seeing is the "Protester" side attacking civilians.

Black people have a completely legitimate gripe against police. 100% support that. I'm not seeing how that makes it acceptable to just brush off a bunch of white people intimidating and yelling at a person who isn't a cop at all.

This is not okay.

Nobody should be brushing this off as no big deal.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Do you know the woman in question?

You seem weirdly preoccupied with the well-being of this one person, made even more weird after you expressed your lack of concern for all the people actually dying at the hands of the police.

I have a lot of concern for people who are dying from COVID as well as from unjustified use of police force.

Even so, I really strongly feel that mob intimidation should NOT be normalized.

 

[William Parcher]

There is no way that violent anarchy is going to win in this country. All it can do now is hit-and-run style attacks.

The anarchist militias best hopes are to fight government forces rather than organized opposition militia forces.

The government plays (fights) by a different set of rules compared to the opposition militias. The biggest difference is that government forces seek to stop and apprehend anarchists while opposition militias aren't interested in apprehending and will go straight to a kill if an anarchist brandishes any lethal weapon in their vicinity.

Anarchists with lethal weapons are going to get their asses kicked in this country and many are going to die.

It only stops when the violent anarchy stops.

This is urban warfare. The Victor is already knowable.

 

[William Parcher]

Who will be the first to drive fully armored Hum Vees into an urban war zone? Will it be the government, or "redneck" opposition militias?

 

[Minoosh]

Instability in the US weakens the role of the US internationally, it directs our attention inward. This also effectively reduces our supporting role toward our allies, and reduces our opposition to our adversaries.

Which creates a huge incentive for our adversaries to foment as much chaos as possible. I would not be surprised to see foreign manipulation of violent divisions in the U.S. - at this point I would be kind of shocked if this wasn't happening. And with tacit approval from Team Trump, IMO.