Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

johnny karate said:
Also, fentanyl didn’t actually have a role in Floyd’s death.
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For whatever it is worth, this is my take also. I understand China is involved in the fentanyl trade, I understand that many people OD on the drug because it is so easy to do so. I also see no evidence that George Floyd's use of the drug contributed to his death based on the reports and based on watching the video. I do not know why you would infer that I share Zig's opinion on this.
 
portlandatheist said:
Nice strawman. Russia fans the flames of existing divides in America: They have fronted facebook groups that are pro-gun and anti-gun, pro-immigration and anti-immigration, pro Black Lives Matter and pro Blue Lives Matter. They don't have an ideology to push, only to stir the hornet's nest and to poke the bear. The material in Mueller's report isn't "conspiracy theory"
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First, let's be honest: There's no Blue Lives Matter movement, it's simply meant to say "Black Lives Don't Matter". There's simply no need for any "Blue Lives Matter" movement to begin with - when's the last time a cop was shot on duty, and the other police just shrugged their shoulders and said "Well, there's nothing we can do, looks like everything's on the up and up"? Never happens. They'll throw so many explosives into a house that it catches fire, blow the attacker up with a bomb-destroying robot, literally bomb a building and destroy an entire city block, before that.

Second, does the US need outside help to "inflame racial tensions"? Ha! Outside countries are mostly concerned with election results, as far as interference goe, and that's a long-term project that takes much loner than a day. When Putin's lackeys tried to pull together a local demonstration, the local activists quickly realized that nobody knew who the person in charge even was, and promptly took the entire rally over. No chance they could pull off any sort of riot. This is likely the usual mix of knuckleheads - unsupervised teens, low-level criminals, pseudo-anarchists, and so on - that most riots feature. That's especially true when it's fast-moving, and the rioters are attacking whatever they see - the folks that destroy, say, PD headquarters, but leave small businesses alone, are slightly more organized, but not by much.
 
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First, let's be honest: There's no Blue Lives Matter movement, it's simply meant to say "Black Lives Don't Matter". There's simply no need for any "Blue Lives Matter" movement to begin with - when's the last time a cop was shot on duty, and the other police just shrugged their shoulders and said "Well, there's nothing we can do, looks like everything's on the up and up"? Never happens. They'll throw so many explosives into a house that it catches fire, blow the attacker up with a bomb-destroying robot, literally bomb a building and destroy an entire city block, before that.
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Of course. It's only purpose is a middle finger to BLM
Mumbles said:
Second, does the US need outside help to "inflame racial tensions"? Ha! Outside countries are mostly concerned with election results, as far as interference goe, and that's a long-term project that takes much loner than a day. When Putin's lackeys tried to pull together a local demonstration, the local activists quickly realized that nobody knew who the person in charge even was, and promptly took the entire rally over. No chance they could pull off any sort of riot. This is likely the usual mix of knuckleheads - unsupervised teens, low-level criminals, pseudo-anarchists, and so on - that most riots feature. That's especially true when it's fast-moving, and the rioters are attacking whatever they see - the folks that destroy, say, PD headquarters, but leave small businesses alone, are slightly more organized, but not by much.
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Well, it certainly isn't helping. Russia's IRA posing as BLM is mentioned explicitly in the Muller report. Also:
Why Russia will keep poking America's racial wounds
and
Russian's Biggest Facebook Ad promoting Blue Lives Matter

The Russian's must love what is happening in Portland right now and no I don't think the have operatives on the ground or anything but they do have online trolls stoking the flames
 
Police seen chumming around with heavily armed militia types in Kenosha while ordering protesters to clear the street. Later a member of that militia would shoot 4 people, killing at least two.

The shooter is being identified as "Kyle" and is perhaps a 17 year old kid. Cops working hand in hand with heavily armed militias looking for pretexts to murder protesters, can't say I'm surprised.

https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/1298564136025153536

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/26/jacob-blake-kenosha-police-protests
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Police seen chumming around with heavily armed militia types in Kenosha while ordering protesters to clear the street. Later a member of that militia would shoot 4 people, killing at least two.

The shooter is being identified as "Kyle" and is perhaps a 17 year old kid. Cops working hand in hand with heavily armed militias looking for pretexts to murder protesters, can't say I'm surprised.

https://twitter.com/IGD_News/status/1298564136025153536

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/26/jacob-blake-kenosha-police-protests
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Have they lined him up to speak at the republican convention yet?
 
Mumbles said:
First, let's be honest: There's no Blue Lives Matter movement, it's simply meant to say "Black Lives Don't Matter".
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Obviously. As for the origins, I too have heard it originally came from Russia, but my source is one of the experts Sam Harris had on his podcast, so giving you an actual source would be kind of difficult :p . I see it's been backed up by at least one source in this thread, though.

Was the US a country where the police force was transparent, reliable, and trustworthy, I would be more sympathetic to a "blue lives matter" movement, and I'd be more inclined to do things like buy a tired police officer lunch at a diner. With the level of violence and corruption, though, I'm more inclined to support defunding* and reform.

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*no, I obviously do not mean the "take all the money from the police budget and let social workers stop robbers" strawman.

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ponderingturtle said:
Have they lined him up to speak at the republican convention yet?
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If only it had happened a little earlier they would have had time to invite him. He would've been the star of the show.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The shooter is being identified as "Kyle" and is perhaps a 17 year old kid. Cops working hand in hand with heavily armed militias looking for pretexts to murder protesters, can't say I'm surprised.
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And by "protesters" you mean the people who were seen on video marching towards the car dealership the 17-year-old was protecting while yelling about burning it down, as they have the past two nights.

The same "protesters" who then chased the 17-year-old down the street and physically assaulted him after knocking him to the ground. One of the "protesters" who got himself shot was pointing a pistol at the 17-year-old while he was being physically assaulted.
 
Bogative said:
And by "protesters" you mean the people who were seen on video marching towards the car dealership the 17-year-old was protecting while yelling about burning it down, as they have the past two nights.

The same "protesters" who then chased the 17-year-old down the street and physically assaulted him after knocking him to the ground. One of the "protesters" who got himself shot was pointing a pistol at the 17-year-old while he was being physically assaulted.
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He was being chased because he just shot someone dead in the car lot. Pretty arguable case for citizen's arrest considering shooting someone to protect property is murder.

I wouldn't recommend trying to apprehend someone with a rifle while unarmed, and the results were quite bad for the people who were giving chase. The guy with the pistol seemed determine to take him alive, which was a mistake.

Seems he was not arrested on the scene, despite being filmed walking towards the police line. Even with a self-defense claim, a multiple death shooting would almost always end with the shooter in custody, but I guess the cops are extending professional courtesy to these armed vigilantes.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
He was being chased…
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by an armed vigilante.


Pretty arguable case for citizen's arrest considering shooting someone to protect property is murder.
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I've seen a video of the shooting at the car dealership, it was shaky and hard to tell what happened. How were you able to determine it was murder and not self-defense?
 
So now the resident racists have to not only defend police brutality, but the murders of protesters by armed vigilantes. It was painful to watch this dumpster fire before, but now I just can't look away.
 
Bogative said:
by an armed vigilante.





I've seen a video of the shooting at the car dealership, it was shaky and hard to tell what happened. How were you able to determine it was murder and not self-defense?
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I'm taking a leap of faith that the people who beat off every night thinking about "roof Koreans" probably didn't come into town heavily armed with a healthy respect for human life.

I'm hoping this incident puts to bed the myth of the "good guy" boog bois or militia types. They are heavily armed LARPers who really, really want an excuse to shoot at people. I also hope that no more unarmed types try to intervene like this. Any attempts to confront militia types should be done so from a position of overwhelming firepower.
 
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So now the resident racists have to not only defend police brutality, but the murders of violent protesters by armed vigilantes. It was painful to watch this dumpster fire before, but now I just can't look away.
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FTFY


Was the burning, looting and physical violence by the "protesters" not enough to keep your attention?
 
Emily's Cat said:
That's... a very interesting interpretation of that statement.

Fentanyl had a role in Floyd's death is what Zig is saying.
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Huh?

Pretzel logic ala Kevin Bacon. China makes fentanyl. The victim purportedly used fentanyl. A cop killed the victim, not fentanyl. And now China is sufficiently complicit to merit a callout.

That's asinine arm waving, not critical thinking. And you're defending it with straw.

Let's be sure to also assign blame to the FDA for approving the drug, doctors for prescribing the drug, and pharmacies for dispensing the drug.
 
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FTFY


Was the burning, looting and physical violence by the "protesters" not enough to keep your attention?
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Well cops are still murdering black people and getting away with it so... I guess not.

You act like the problem they are angry about has been solved or even addressed in any meaningful way.

I, with bated breath, away your apologetic ranting response.
 
uke2se said:
So now the resident racists have to not only defend police brutality, but the murders of protesters by armed vigilantes. It was painful to watch this dumpster fire before, but now I just can't look away.
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I almost pity them. When you have a "Our president, right or wrong" approach, and your president and his -ism are horrible, finding yourself defending or excusing steadily worse things must be pretty exhausting.
 
uke2se said:
So now the resident racists have to not only defend police brutality, but the murders of protesters by armed vigilantes. It was painful to watch this dumpster fire before, but now I just can't look away.
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Speaking of dumpster fires. Here is a video of the Retard Brigade setting a fire inside of a large dumpster and giving it a push down the street towards a police vehicle.

The dumpster rolls about 20 feet and into a curb right in front of the gas station they are all standing at.

Re-********-tarded.

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1298474737719443456?s=20
 
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