Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Thermal said:
When you consider 'The Mob' to be your 'attacker', you really can't miss, can you?
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That's not really relevant. Either the individuals he shot were attacking him, or they weren't. Are you claiming they weren't?
 
I never understood people defending shoplifting, robbery, or looting/vandalism with "but the goods are insured", as if stealing from shops is morally wrong, but insurance companies losing money from criminal acts is a-OK.

I suppose it's because insurance companies are considered Big Business.

Oh, and that's before even factoring in the employees who might not be able to come to work and make a living because oh, someone burned the store down.
 
Bogative said:
Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyers have released a statement and a whole lot of assumptions and assertions made in this thread were completely wrong, of course.


Rittenhouse did not arm himself and transport a gun across state lines to go and kill BLM protesters.

Rittenhouse drove 20 miles from his home to work at a local swimming pool as a community lifeguard.

After work, he went to a local high school to help clean graffiti off of a wall.
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After that, he went to help a local man protect what was left of his burned-out car dealership.

His attorneys are not saying exactly where he acquired the AR 15 other than that it was already in Wisconsin.

There are many more details in the article explaining what led up to the shooting.

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In all of the videos I've seen, Rittenhouse has a strap over his shoulder with a medical kit attached.

Here is a video of him offering medical assistance to a woman who had been struck in the foot with a projectile.
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According to his lawyers, he was recognized as a person who protected a local business, that made the mob freedom fighters angry enough to chase him away from the gas station and that's what led to the shooting.
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If you can’t believe the claims of an accused murderer’s attorneys, who can you believe?

Great skepticism as usual, Bogative.
 
What he did for his community isn't exactly relevant to whether or not he's a murderer. Would've loved the usual suspects to make a similar defense for an islamic terrorist, or an Antifa rioter.

"But but, before Johnny/Ali killed three people, he drove 30 miles to visit his grandma, then he donated blood, then he helped the local rotary plant tulips in a public park! Surely, surely, you can't ruin this young man's life like this! It's the video games' fault, I'm telling you! Look at this photo, look how cute and handsome he looks!"
 
Brainster said:
NPR finds someone to defend the indefensible:



I'm sure it's a gas, as long as you're a looter and not a lootee. But not to worry, nobody is really harmed by looting:



That argument is juvenile, and I know it's juvenile because it's nearly the exact argument I used to justify shoplifting when I was a kid. I wasn't stealing from people, I was stealing from a store. And stores build shoplifting costs into their prices, so if I don't shoplift occasionally I'd be giving them more of a profit than they deserved. Or something.

And by the way, the looters seem to have an innate sense of social justice:



Or maybe the looters weren't interested in books? And that bookstore owner might find that being the only property around that wasn't leveled is detrimental to customer foot-traffic. But not to worry, he's probably got insurance for that.

And I couldn't resist this ludicrous attempt at debunking a "right-wing myth."



The link under "right-wing myth" goes to this article, which starts out talking about an economics paper that claimed that 80% of new jobs were created by small businesses:



Now get this, the paper acknowledges that over half of new jobs are created by small firms. This is debunking the "myth" that the small business owner creates jobs?

BTW, if you see Vicky Osterweil's car parked somewhere, feel free to loot it. I'm sure you'll find the experience joyous and liberatory (sic).
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Yeah, looting is bad. A serious crime, that results in unrecoverable financial losses beyond whatever insurance might cover.

Ya know what is exponentially worse tho? Grabbing a high powered rifle to go out in the streets and shoot looters.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
What he did for his community isn't exactly relevant to whether or not he's a murderer. Would've loved the usual suspects to make a similar defense for an islamic terrorist, or an Antifa rioter.

"But but, before Johnny/Ali killed three people, he drove 30 miles to visit his grandma, then he donated blood, then he helped the local rotary plant tulips in a public park! Surely, surely, you can't ruin this young man's life like this! It's the video games' fault, I'm telling you! Look at this photo, look how cute and handsome he looks!"
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I like the part where they mention his commute to work.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's not really relevant.
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Actually it is. According to him, the silhouettes in the street, and the ones up to, what, a mile or so behind his targets, were a collective attacking him. He shot indiscriminately at the collective. He does not describe individual attackers for a reason.

Either the individuals he shot were attacking him, or they weren't. Are you claiming they weren't?
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Not from anything I've seen. You could argue that the 'mob' was defending itself against an active armed threat, in the person of one KR.

also, I believe there is a duty of proportional response. High powered rifles are not proportional to people who have not so much as flicked your earlobe.
 
Thermal said:
Actually it is. According to him, the silhouettes in the street, and the ones up to, what, a mile or so behind his targets, were a collective attacking him. He shot indiscriminately at the collective. He does not describe individual attackers for a reason.

Not from anything I've seen. You could argue that the 'mob' was defending itself against an active armed threat, in the person of one KR.

also, I believe there is a duty of proportional response. High powered rifles are not proportional to people who have not so much as flicked your earlobe.
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It’s the American way. Arm yourself to the teeth (illegally, even), march into a hostile environment, just start firing indiscriminately, and call it self-defense.

I’m sure the posters defending this course of action would feel the same way if a black guy marched into a Neo-Nazi rally and did the same thing.
 
Thermal said:
Actually it is. According to him
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Nothing you said is actually according to him.

also, I believe there is a duty of proportional response. High powered rifles are not proportional to people who have not so much as flicked your earlobe.
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Proportionality is indeed part of the law of self defense. But the proportionality is in regards to the threat, not to what has already happened. And even there, you are wrong.
 
johnny karate said:
It’s the American way. Arm yourself to the teeth (illegally, even), march into a hostile environment, just start firing indiscriminately, and call it self-defense.

I’m sure the posters defending this course of action would feel the same way if a black guy marched into a Neo-Nazi rally and did the same thing.
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Taking their lead from the police.
 
Thermal said:
Yeah, looting is bad. A serious crime, that results in unrecoverable financial losses beyond whatever insurance might cover.

Ya know what is exponentially worse tho? Grabbing a high powered rifle to go out in the streets and shoot looters.
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I'm not defending Rittenhouse's actions; he put himself in a very bad situation and when things predictably went south he reacted like a kid. That said, I'll make a prediction: He gets convicted of something like "discharging a weapon in the city limits."
 
Bogative said:
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After that, he went to help a local man protect what was left of his burned-out car dealership.

His attorneys are not saying exactly where he acquired the AR 15 other than that it was already in Wisconsin.
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For one, this implies that someone gave the kid a rifle. That might work in Rittenhouse's legal defense, but it certainly implicates someone else, probably in the militia.

There are reports of Rittenhouse getting separated from the other militia. They give the kid a gun, put him in a hostile situation, then don't keep track of him and let him get separated from the group.

If we need any further proof of how useless the militia is, and of how their own incompetence makes them dangerous, these attempts at defending Rittenhouse provide all the ammo we need.

Those incompetent buffoons are getting people killed.
 
My facebook feed is filled with memes related to the last two men Rittenhouse shot that day; the idea that attacking people at a riot gets you shot. Not much about the Rosenbaum death.

If Rittenhouse's lawyer can convince the jury (if no plea taken) that the 1st shooting was self defense, then he might be able to claim self defense on the later two shootings. Otherwise this kid is going away for a long time.

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The chilling part isn’t so much what this kid did, but that he was it was basically sanctioned by the police. They pretty much sent a minor armed with an AR-15 into a hostile environment and said “Have fun!”.

We’re always hearing about how looters and rioters are giving peaceful protestors a bad name, but no one really seems to hold the police accountable for associating with these right wing militia types, who, ironically enough, are actually a much bigger threat to the police than looters and rioters.
 
Ziggurat said:
Nothing you said is actually according to him.
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It is according to his attorneys, representing him. I suppose you could say they are lying on his behalf, or just making thing up on their own?

Proportionality is indeed part of the law of self defense. But the proportionality is in regards to the threat, not to what has already happened. And even there, you are wrong.
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The threat of a group saying 'hey theres the killer' sounds far more like citizens arrest on their part than self defense on Ky-Ky's.

Can't wait to discuss Ky-Ky's scope of intent with grabbing a rifle and strolling out into a protest.
 
Another freedom fighter will be heading to prison for a while.

black man stabs White man


According to courtroom testimony, Police say Hatchett told them he had been watching videos on Facebook for hours of police shootings around the country. Police say he told them he decided during those videos he wanted to stab a white male.
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