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Riots in Sweeden

Democracy. Multiculturalism. Open immigration.

Pick any two.
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I'm not sure if I agree either with that concept or if "open immigration" correctly describes the Scandinavian nations...
 
No country on Earth has open immigration (Or open borders.). It's either a strawman, a distortion of facts or a misunderstanding of how things actually work.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I'm not sure if I agree either with that concept or if "open immigration" correctly describes the Scandinavian nations...
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Sweden has a very permissive immigration policy. If you don't want to call that "open", that's OK, I'm not really interested in a semantic fight. The point is that they don't do a lot to select who they're letting into the country. That in itself isn't necessarily a problem, but coupled with "multiculturalism" (which really means permitting immigrants to live according to rules other than those governing the existing citizenry), it's a recipe for trouble.
 
ANTPogo said:
Sweden has separate sets of laws for native-born citizens and immigrants?
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Not on the books, but in practice, yes. And I said "rules" and not "laws" for a reason: much of what constrains our actions are social rules, not laws.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Not on the books, but in practice, yes.
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"Fria Tider is an independent conservative Internet-based newspaper in Sweden."

I see.

The vigilantes were described as a motley crew of homeowners and concerned citizens, as well as neo-Nazi activists and football hooligans.

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– The number of police officers on the streets is simply staggering. The police appear to have focused all their resources on stopping the Swedes, Fredrik Becklin, spokesman for the nationalist youth organization Nordisk Ungdom (Nordic Youth), said Friday night.
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Well, if rioting neo-Nazis and white nationalist vigilantes say so, I guess it must be true.

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Later during the night the police appear to have relaxed their attitude to the presence of vigilante groups in the streets. The police is reported to have stepped aside and watched as a huge crowd of vigilantes chased immigrants through the streets of Tumba, chanting ”the city is ours” and ”we will do what the police can’t do”. Several independent sources testify about vigilantes managing to scare away groups of rioters torching wastepaper baskets.
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Though it's good that the police later changed their mind and let the Nazi vigilante mobs attack random immigrants after all, isn't it, Ziggurat?
 
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ANTPogo said:
Though it's good that the police later changed their mind and let the Nazi vigilante mobs attack random immigrants after all, isn't it, Ziggurat?
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No, it isn't good, it's bad. But it's also exactly what you should expect when the police won't enforce the law for everyone: eventually they'll stop enforcing the laws for anyone. Blind multiculturalism empowers Nazis and their ilk.
 
Ziggurat said:
No, it isn't good, it's bad. But it's also exactly what you should expect when the police won't enforce the law for everyone: eventually they'll stop enforcing the laws for anyone.
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And I should take the word of a "publication" that approvingly quotes Neo-Nazis and white supremacists and is explicitly dedicated to slanting news items to fit their proudly paleoconservative political worldview because...why, exactly?
 
Ziggurat said:
Not on the books, but in practice, yes. And I said "rules" and not "laws" for a reason: much of what constrains our actions are social rules, not laws.
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No, we don't have separate rules or laws for immigrants and native Swedes. Using friatider.se as a source is akin to using Journal of 911 studies.
 
uke2se said:
No, we don't have separate rules or laws for immigrants and native Swedes. Using friatider.se as a source is akin to using Journal of 911 studies.
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Shut up, you commie! Don't try to hide your multiculti ways behind facts!

I've been to Sweden! It's a nightmare... Everyone speaks English (evidence of Evil right there); it's cold (obviously you didn't let the light of Democracy touch you); and apparently marauding groups of immigrants go around stealing all the litter.
 
Does anyone here remember the teen riots of late 1980's? Couldn't find anything relevant with google.

IIRC after a long hot summer Swedish teens were rioting against going back to school. It started in Stockholm and quickly spread to Göteborg and Malmö, and lasted for a few days. I remember the images but was it 1987? 88?

When that happened my first thought was maybe Lars Molin was onto something with his Korset: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0193268/ (loved that production btw!)

Ziggurat said:
Not on the books, but in practice, yes. And I said "rules" and not "laws" for a reason: much of what constrains our actions are social rules, not laws.
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Please do apply necessary critisism (källkritik) before referencing poor sources. The rioters broke social rules, so? It's not like bunch of young rioters break social rules for the first time, you know. In fact in some instances some of them broke the law, which is not a novel invention either.
 
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Osmosis will eventually make Scandinavian countries saturated with immigrants, even though the low temperatures don't favor human solubility. It can't be avoided. And then, also unavoidably, the average standard of living will suffer.
 
El Greco said:
Osmosis will eventually make Scandinavian countries saturated with immigrants, even though the low temperatures don't favor human solubility. It can't be avoided. And then, also unavoidably, the average standard of living will suffer.
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Regardeless of your misplaced prophecies I don't think you know what osmosis means.
 
El Greco said:
Osmosis will eventually make Scandinavian countries saturated with immigrants, even though the low temperatures don't favor human solubility. It can't be avoided. And then, also unavoidably, the average standard of living will suffer.
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I doubt it.

The suffering part, that is.
 
El Greco said:
No, I know perfectly well what osmosis is. It's you who apparently have no idea about the meanings of the word: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/osmosis (hint: look at number 2)
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Yes, I am familiar with that meaning and it didn't make much sense in your prophecy. You seem to be saying that it's the assimilation of immigrants to the Swedish society that would somehow cause problems in Sweden, when some would say the opposite and see the lack of it as a possible problem.
 
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