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Right, Left and coddling

kellyb said:
Because it's good strategy for us to be better than the other side. Just walking around insulting people is not an effective method for achieving our objectives.
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But that's been the case for a long time now, for the entirety of the Obama presidency. It isn't that I think that strategy is wrong, or that value is wrong, but it cannot be the only thing everyone does. Trump and Roy Moore showed just how much the 'other side' (that's an oversimplification) simply don't care about that. They need to be willing to work with us too, and right now they simply are not, to the point where they'll throw away rule of law and the values of the Constitution, (as well as moral authority to, you know, not support people they themselves believed sexually assaulted teenagers), to keep power and not have to. Any criticism coming from the GOP or most conservatives right now on this 'tribalism' issue to progressives or Dems have zero credibility as far as good faith argument goes. They have proven they largely just do not care about it.

I liken it to the Israel-Palestine conflict; both sides deserve criticism and blame but the side doing the worst is the side getting the least condemnation.

Fudbucker said:
Sure. Daryl Davis befriends KKK members and gets them to give up their belief system. I think he's converted almost 100 of them. Very inspiring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORp3q1Oaezw
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Yes, this gentleman should keep doing that. Others should try that too. Some others should keep speaking harsh truths, because no one method of persuasion works on even a large minority of the population.
 
Fudbucker said:
I frequent sites like this, HuffPo, Mediate, and Breitbart. The vitriol and stupidity in the comments section is a uniquely Republican (Trumpian) thing.

They live in a bubble of constant fear. Their "enemies" are nearly endless: liberals, uniparty, Rinos, deep state, Mexicans, Muslims, Feminists, Ms-13, Antifa, CIA, FBI, DOJ. It's hard to believe they can get out of bed in the morning.

There is no reasoning with a lot of these people. They're consumed by this stuff. They also buy into the most bizzare conspiracies.
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FudB, have you checked out the Jimmy Dore show?



Just saying.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore
 
Right wing talking heads like Hannity, Jones or Limbaugh are spouting such nonsense that the kind thing would be to have them committed for observation.
 
I want to understand Jordan Peterson but I cannot ignore his mealy mouthed approach when he has to respond to the very same criticism towards the right, as Jerrymander pointed out.

His brief soapboxing on Real Time itself wasn't anything I would object to, but I know he has a history of minimizing the vulgarity of the hard right because the SJWs are such a bigger threat:rolleyes:.
 
Elagabalus said:
FudB, have you checked out the Jimmy Dore show?



Just saying.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore
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I follow TYT and they are so goddamn over the top sometimes...

But Jimmy Dore is a step beyond even that; He attracts criticism or downright hate from a large portion of TYT viewers. I'm just glad that nobody on the left like him is in political office (that I know of).
 
Venom said:
I follow TYT and they are so goddamn over the top sometimes...

But Jimmy Dore is a step beyond even that; He attracts criticism or downright hate from a large portion of TYT viewers. I'm just glad that nobody on the left like him is in political office (that I know of).
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Not just TYT viewers - Sam Seder will gleefully drag him, and Benjamin Dixon was enraged by his suggestion that "the left" should team up with conspiracy theorist/white nationalist Mike Cernovich to "end the war in Syria".

However: this is fundamentally different that Dolt 45 himself going out of his way to support white supremacism and repeating talking points from the dimwits on Fox and Friends, with the full support of some 40% of of US adults.

(As for "reaching out", I fully expect some of these bigots to turn even more violent if Trump is removed or loses in 2020, and they will particularly target women, nonwhite people, and LGBTQ people. It's a time-honored tradition among white supremacists.)
 
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I love Jordan Peterson. First of all his twitter feed is hilarious. If someone writes a critical review of his book or criticizes his views, JBP, our free speech hero, will tweet about how he would physically assault the author of the piece if they were in the same room. That is not in a tweet to the author, just in a tweet to his fans about the author. Because I guess that is the safest way to promote his toxic masculinity views.

But it might instead be because JBP doesn't seem to understand twitter, like when he tried to get into an argument with Slavoj Žižek through increasingly hostile tweets to a bot that simply simply tweets Zizek quotes.

And one of my favs was how completely pissy JBP got when a couple female authors wrote stories about how most mass shooters were male and that might be a problem. It might seem odd that JBP would be pissy about someone pointing out a well documented reality that is highly prevalent to only one gender, when JBP spends so much time bitching about how women should just shut up and accept the supposedly scientifically-based claims he makes about women because reality is reality. Especially when JBP has written about male violence himself. But the reality is that JBP simply hates women and really hates it when uppity women have the gall to complain about men. They should know their place.

Its kind of exactly what I would expect from the thinnest skinned man on the planet who constantly complains about other people being thin-skinned and who became famous for complaining about a parliamentary bill that he didn't understand and got completely wrong from a legal perspective (I mean why listen to the legal experts when we can listen to someone who says the opposite and has no legal expertise) and whose most known work before he became famous (Maps of Meaning) had a parody book written about it and other examples of bloviated nonsensical academic grand theories (called Blueprints for a Sparkling Tomorrow). And then after becoming famous wrote a new book in which says things that are both really simple and completely obvious to most 6 year olds, but in the most wordy, convoluted and unintelligible way possible. Brilliance.
 
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Mycroft said:
Depleted uranium. White phosphorous. Nuclear power.

And GMO, I've never heard right-wingers whine about that.
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Radioactive waste and white phosphorus are rational fears, and regarding GMOs, it's both liberals and conservatives equally.
 

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kellyb said:
What pseudo-scientific anti-GMO legislation?
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The pseudo-scientific anti-GMO legislation that is either proposed or enacted throughout the world every year tabled by members of left-wing parties and supported (and often drafted) by left-wing activist organizations.

Every year in Canada there are anti-GMO bills proposed by and supported by the pseudo-scientific end of the farthest left members in Federal parliament.

If there is a screening of a conspiracy theory anti-science GMO movie you can be sure that left-leaning politicians from the area will ensure that all their supporters know that they will be there to support that anti-science.

If there is an anti-GMO protest you can be sure that left-leaning politicians from the area will be there and relaying the common conspiracy lies to the media.
 
Among the problems with Peterson's one-sided obsession with taking down the "extreme left"; how many people who believe 9/11 was an inside job are in political office and compare that to the number of Republican neo-Nazi sympathizers and people who believe Obama is a Muslim.
 
Wayward son said:
The pseudo-scientific anti-GMO legislation that is either proposed or enacted throughout the world every year tabled by members of left-wing parties and supported (and often drafted) by left-wing activist organizations.

Every year in Canada there are anti-GMO bills proposed by and supported by the pseudo-scientific end of the farthest left members in Federal parliament.
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Oh, I thought we were in USA politics and talking about USA liberals, not Canadians and Europeans engaging in trade protectionism for primarily economic reasons.
 
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