Rigged or Hacked Voting Machines

[wareyin]

This sounds like you think voting should be based on what “team” you are on, when in fact it should be completely irrelevant. People should vote based on the candidate’s position on the issues, not who “the party” tells them to vote for.

That was a point I was trying to make. If one only votes based on "team", then one has demonstrated absolutely no knowledge or understanding of any issues other than checking a box for R or D. To understand the issues, people need to be able to actually look into the candidate's stance on those issues and vote accordingly.

 

[BStrong]

Paper ballots that can be counted by hand are a good start. Real election security requires one additional step.

Require a statistical audit of the election results. If the margin of victory in a statewide race was 10%, a hand count of 100 randomly selected ballots would be enough to confirm the winner. A race with a margin of 3% would require a hand count of about 2,000 randomly selected ballots.

But there's always this:

http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/...cisco--By-Karen-Gaudette-The-Associated-Press

"SAN FRANCISCO — Elections officials spent Thursday counting 240 ballots found more than three weeks after Election Day, another in a string of embarrassments that has infuriated some city leaders.

The ballots mistakenly were left in locked boxes at polling places across the city on Election Day, Department of Elections officials said. Though their number would not overturn the results of any major race or ballot initiative, discovery of the ballots comes days after the lids of eight ballot boxes were found floating in San Francisco Bay."

And this:

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Scavenged-ballot-box-lids-haunt-S-F-elections-3302604.php

"The corrugated plastic ballot box lids, each marked with the city seal and the words "Provisional and Absentee Ballots," first raised the concerns of election watchdogs shortly after the city's November election, when eight of them were found near the Golden Gate Bridge by the crew of a U.S. Coast Guard vessel.

Since then, despite assurances from city elections Director Tammy Haygood that the box lids merely blew into the bay while election workers cleaned them on a city pier, the issue has resurfaced time and again."

 

[ahhell]

That response never seemed to work well for TBD. I don't think it's doing you any favors either.

Let's try this a different way. You claimed that this woman shouldn't be voting because she doesn't remember which party, if any, she wrote down when she registered to vote. Rather than me pointing out in some other way that this doesn't matter, how about you explain why you think it does matter?

I doubt it will help, I have said several times, "I know X is true" to which you have responded by saying, "you seem to think x is false".
It displays a level of indifference to the process that she paid so little attention to it as do not know. It doesn't matter if she was registered with a party, but she ought to know if she was. Her not knowing matters.

This sounds like you think voting should be based on what “team” you are on, when in fact it should be completely irrelevant. People should vote based on the candidate’s position on the issues, not who “the party” tells them to vote for.

Not an endorsement, merely a statement of the way things are. The reality in the US is that most voters do not get past what team the candidate is on. To the point that research shows that there is a disturbingly large percentage of folks that will change there opinion on whether they agree or disagree with a statement depending on who they think said it.

This is probably true in most places, I am only aware of the research having been done in the US.

 

[Cabbage]

I doubt it will help, I have said several times, "I know X is true" to which you have responded by saying, "you seem to think x is false".
It displays a level of indifference to the process that she paid so little attention to it as do not know. It doesn't matter if she was registered with a party, but she ought to know if she was. Her not knowing matters.


Not an endorsement, merely a statement of the way things are. The reality in the US is that most voters do not get past what team the candidate is on. To the point that research shows that there is a disturbingly large percentage of folks that will change there opinion on whether they agree or disagree with a statement depending on who they think said it.

This is probably true in most places, I am only aware of the research having been done in the US.

I strongly disagree, and to support my position I invite you to read my previous post.

 

[wareyin]

It displays a level of indifference to the process that she paid so little attention to it as do not know. It doesn't matter if she was registered with a party, but she ought to know if she was. Her not knowing matters.

Why does her not knowing matter? Especially as you have now agreed that registering with a party doesn't matter. You are essentially saying that her not knowing if she did something which doesn't matter, matters.

 

[ahhell]

Why does her not knowing matter? Especially as you have now agreed that registering with a party doesn't matter. You are essentially saying that her not knowing if she did something which doesn't matter, matters.

I don't think I said it doesn't matter, I believe I said that I know Americans to not need to be registered in a party. If I said it doesn't matter, I misspoke. It clearly matters as until recently in almost every state it meant you couldn't vote in the primary. It also is the primary thing most voters look for when it comes to voting in the general. That lack of basic knowledge about her status demonstrated a lack of basic knowledge about the process.

Regardless, the difference of opinion is that some folks think that its a good idea for someone who is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly indifferent to democracy to vote and want a process in which those folks are encouraged to vote. I disagree.

 

[wareyin]

I don't think I said it doesn't matter, I believe I said that I know Americans to not need to be registered in a party. If I said it doesn't matter, I misspoke. It clearly matters as until recently in almost every state it meant you couldn't vote in the primary. It also is the primary thing most voters look for when it comes to voting in the general. That lack of basic knowledge about her status demonstrated a lack of basic knowledge about the process.

Are you aware that no matter what, if any, party you registered as, you can vote for any party at all in the general? Because if so, that clearly shows that knowledge of what party she may have been registered as has no bearing in the process of actually voting. Indeed, merely voting along party lines (I registered as x, therefore I must vote for every x candidate) demonstrates less knowledge about the issues or the process.

Regardless, the difference of opinion is that some folks think that its a good idea for someone who is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly indifferent to democracy to vote and want a process in which those folks are encouraged to vote. I disagree.

Your version of democracy is less people voting?

 

[CORed]

Make Election Day a federal Holiday on the first Monday of November

Automatic registration of everyone over 18

Voting Machines that produce a paper receipt and are audited before and immediately after every election. And a few randomly selected during the election (I know that will slow some things down, but I'd say maintaining the integrity of the vote is worth it).

Recounts for any margin under 5%

Rank choice voting with automatic run off

No indication of party on the ballot. Randomly change the order candidates appear on each ballot so people just can't go straight down the ticket without knowing who they are selecting

No announcing totals until the polls have closed

Free BBQ for all

I agree with most of this. A few more observations: There is no need for elections to last just one day. Mail in and early voting already are allowed in many states. Allow voting for a period of nine days, spanning two weekends. This will allow nearly everyone to vote on a day off. Use machine countable paper ballots. Check with statistical sampling. IN the event of a close election or possible discrepancy from statistical sampling, recount by hand.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Bumpity.

Hello, Mitch McConnman. Having fun bullying the Kentuckians into voting Republican to get an aluminium factory job in a Russian state so you can profit?

 

[Orphia Nay]

I realised we had this thread and am posting again in case the thread helps declutter the Mail-in ballots" thread.

 

[Stacyhs]

Make Election Day a federal Holiday on the first Monday of November

Automatic registration of everyone over 18

Voting Machines that produce a paper receipt and are audited before and immediately after every election. And a few randomly selected during the election (I know that will slow some things down, but I'd say maintaining the integrity of the vote is worth it).

Recounts for any margin under 5%

Rank choice voting with automatic run off

No indication of party on the ballot. Randomly change the order candidates appear on each ballot so people just can't go straight down the ticket without knowing who they are selecting

No announcing totals until the polls have closed

Free BBQ for all

And pony rides. I want pony rides!