• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Rigged ***2008*** Elections

1337m4n said:
So, basically, there's no conspiracy to deliberately rig the election, just a poorly designed mechanism for electing people.

In which case this thread belongs in Politics not Conspiracy Theories.

"The system is screwed up" and "people are incompetent" are not conspiracies, not suspicious, and not unusual.
Click to expand...


You should watch the HBO Documentary:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201

In the 2000 elections there was a case in Florida that showed
that Al Gores Votes were counted backwards. Al Gore had
MINUS 16,000 votes. And that's just the harmless introduction
of the documentary which reveals a whole series of shocking
details about what's going on behind the scenes - especially
on technical side where nobody has oversight about what's
going on within the machines ... until someone stumbled over
the Diebold FTP-Server and downloaded the software...

ETA: And yes - it's a political issue, that's why I started the
thread in politics. I have no Idea for what reason it was moved
here - or by whom....
 
Last edited:
During the 2004 gubenatorily flap in Washington State, the GOP was whining constantly about Dems committing voter fraud and that dead people and felons were being counted to give Gregoire the lead. The Tacoma News Tribune did a little digging and tracked down three illegal voters. Two cast votes on behalf of their deceased spouses, for Dino Rossi. One, a convicted felon, voted Libertarian.
 
leftysergeant said:
During the 2004 gubenatorily flap in Washington State, the GOP was whining constantly about Dems committing voter fraud and that dead people and felons were being counted to give Gregoire the lead. The Tacoma News Tribune did a little digging and tracked down three illegal voters. Two cast votes on behalf of their deceased spouses, for Dino Rossi. One, a convicted felon, voted Libertarian.
Click to expand...

:dl:
 
1337m4n said:
"The system is screwed up" and "people are incompetent" are not conspiracies, not suspicious, and not unusual.
Click to expand...
and even then i dont the problem is with the election system itself, just witht he current 2 party political system

but then oliver has some funny ideas about how democracy should work, i recall a few months him saying the US wasnt a real democracy because we elect the president directly (as opposed to one being appointed by congress)
 
Oliver said:
You should watch the HBO Documentary:
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201

In the 2000 elections there was a case in Florida that showed
that Al Gores Votes were counted backwards. Al Gore had
MINUS 16,000 votes. And that's just the harmless introduction
of the documentary which reveals a whole series of shocking
details about what's going on behind the scenes - especially
on technical side where nobody has oversight about what's
going on within the machines ... until someone stumbled over
the Diebold FTP-Server and downloaded the software...

ETA: And yes - it's a political issue, that's why I started the
thread in politics. I have no Idea for what reason it was moved
here - or by whom....
Click to expand...
No. You created a CT in your first post.
A machine does not care whether there is a discrepancy. A human does.
Click to expand...
Once again something that is only true in woo woo land. Humans screw up worst than a properly designed machine.
 
Last edited:
technoextreme said:
True but as Jerome inadvertently pointed they can screw up. Recounts of multiple counties showed that Nixon actually received too many votes in some counties.
Click to expand...
Yeah, but if you have a system of analouge counting and where some 240-260 lost votes is frontpage news, I'll say it's a pretty good system.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
sounds like a conspiracy to me
Click to expand...


Well, okay - I'll grant you that - I should've said "discrepancies"
to be more picky about the wording instead using a sarcastic undertone.

Nevertheless - I started the thread in politics since the "discrepancies"
aren't woo, they're factual.
 
Let me add here that those who point to Cook County, Illinois in 1960 need to look a little harder at the election. Kennedy won the electoral college by a count of 303-219. Take away Kennedy's 27 electoral votes from Illinois and add them to Nixon's total and Kennedy still wins, 276-246.
 
Brainster said:
Let me add here that those who point to Cook County, Illinois in 1960 need to look a little harder at the election. Kennedy won the electoral college by a count of 303-219. Take away Kennedy's 27 electoral votes from Illinois and add them to Nixon's total and Kennedy still wins, 276-246.
Click to expand...

Lyndon Baines Johnson of Texas. ;)
 
leftysergeant said:
There are enouigh anomolies to cast doubt on whether or not the electronic devices work, or can be trusted. Like precincts where nearly everyone voted for things like Port Commisioners, but as many as ten percent did not vote for a congressman or president. Take the machines that recorded those votes apart and decompilel and forenscily examine their software, and proprietory secrets be damned.

The machines that recorded our vote were always owned by the people, not by a corporation when I was young. TRhere is no reason for that not to be so now. Nor did the corporations who made the machines have the sole right to know how they worked, and the sole right to calibrate them and record the data. There is no excuse for that now. Corporations have no right to own our voting system. This is an affront to all that it means to live in a free society. Should a coprporation decide that they will, by hook or crook, decide who will be the next president, there is no way to stop them if their software cannot be examined.

The gubenatorial election in Washington in 2004 was almost given to a snivelling little Republican punk who fought tooth and nail to prevent a hand recount. Seems a lot of ballots double-fed going through the counting machine. Additionally, a few ballots got shoved aside without being counted the first time through.

A machine does not care whether there is a discrepancy. A human does.
Click to expand...


http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/12/the_sound_of_stealing.html
 
The Republicans had a chance to do the same thing that the Dems did about the contested ballots. They didn't. They probably knew it would not have been much help.

And we still do not know whether the electronic voting machines produced an accurate count. I somehow doubt it. The most heavily Democratic area of the state which used electronic machines went Republican? That's odd, to say the least.

Note, please, that the GOP tried to block a hand-recount. I suspected right away that they were hiding something.

Also note that the Secretary of State in Washington is a Republican. He probably won due to the endorsement of his predacessor, also Republican, who was widely respected by all parties for his honesty.

I don't think, after he so casually certified the electronic voting equipment, that we will see Mr Reed back for another term.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Have no fear, this Canadian will offer no opinion on the 2008 U.S. Presidential election. It's your mess, you deal with it. :D

Okay, joking aside, I will follow the U.S. election to the extent of wanting to know where the two candidates will stand on U.S.-Canadian relations, trade, and the current irritants that exist between the two countries.

I would say that in terms of the process I do find the American system, well, a bit crazy. But then I expect plenty of Americans would find the Canadian system a bit crazy.
Click to expand...

Well your dollar is called a Loony.

Canadian-Loonie-coin-s.jpg
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom