Richard Gage's Explosive Contradictions

[angrysoba]

Our old buddy psikeyhacker is there:

"Watch that Purdue simulation. If a 150 ton airliner crashes near the top of a skyscraper at 440 mph isn’t the building going to sway? Didn’t the survivors report the building “moving like a wave”? So why do the core columns in the Purdue video remain perfectly still as the plane comes in?"


simulation = video???

Is he a regular here?

 

[fourtoe]

That recording is from a debate Gage had with Ron Craig (this was I think Craig's first debate and he destroyed Gage). That was way back in 2007. Looking at Soba's (great) videos from Japan, it looks like he hasn't changed a thing in his arguments. This is real frustrating because these things have been pointed out to him repeatedly.

I really hope he comes to SoCal sometime soon because I am putting together a list of things that he has been shown to be false in other interviews and debates and ask him why is is continuing to spread false information, especially to those who trust and respect him like the paranoid members of the TM.

 

[beachnut]

Is he a regular here?

banned, for being off topic

He kept repeating the same junk he posted at your web site.
He is a truther who refuses to do researched to answer and estimate his own weights to do his modeling of the WTC; with toothpicks and washers.

Many schools in the US have studied 911. The government does not stop research, or people like Gage spewing lies.

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/phase1/

 

[angrysoba]

The government does not stop research, or people like Gage spewing lies.

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/phase1/

Oh, I'm sure the government doesn't stop research. It's more of a conceit by the Truth Movement that if they behave like maniacs or lose all academic scruples then they it's persecution when they get fired from their university.

A friend of mine demanded to know why it is, that if the New York Times is the newspaper of record it didn't publish a story about Steven Jones getting his thermitic paper published in a peer-reviewed journal. "Because they and the editor of that very journal think its crackpottery?" No! Because of a media conspiracy naturally. I try to point out news stories from Iran, North Korea or France showing that they accept the "government story" and try to get some answer about how international this conspiracy is but I'm always told it's a strawman.

What's Gage's story as far as working as an architect is concerned. Does he still have a job with a firm? Is he freelance? Has he found Truthing more lucrative? (No, that's a terrible thing to say - I retract it) Hs he found Truthing more rewarding?

 

[cyclonic]

Gage: RETIRED

Shouldn't that say:

RETARDED

 

[bill smith]

Good video. He has done this numerous times. I had fun with it in an earlier video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP5GBXc3AOQ

Thanks for the video James. I wonder how all that steel- some pieces weighing many tons flew up to six hundred feet (the length of two football fields end-to-end) away fro the footprints when it shuld have fallen straight down in a gravity-only collapse ? There wasn't even a 'jolt' where the pieces might have been thrown somewhat to the side.
The height does not mean that the rubble would travel any further away than if the Towers were only ten feet tall.

So we have to say that it looks like explosives were used visually, and then we have several hundred witness eports of heavy-duty explosions (118 of those reports coming directly from the FDNY itself) so we can say it sounds like there were explosions.

The only thing we don't have is the explosive sounds on the 9/11 videos. But as you know, there are strong suspicions that the government has ttampered with all of that. After all we know where most of that footage came from.

So the preponderance of the evidence shows that explosives were used at the WTC on 9/11.

 

[ozeco41]

Is he a regular here?

psikeyhackr very early in the truther era built his own physical model of a tower and subjected it to impacts from moving weights. It was a great and commendable effort but sadly misdirected as to any representation of the actual mechanisms which caused the collapses of the Twin Towers.

AFAIK he has never explicitly stated his own explanation/understanding of how the towers collapsed.

However he held obsessively strong views that the weight distribution of concrete and steel vertically up the towers on a floor by floor basis was essential information to erxplaining the collapses.

He made hundreds of posts on Dawkins net forum, all the WTC - 9/11 stuff dominated by his obsession with weight distribution. He was answered fully many times with explanations ranging from outright ridicule through to extensive explorations of the physics involved starting from base principles.

He became "resident troll" on the RDNet 9/11 thread (one thread only on that forum - a deliberate management choice) and was extended great lenience by RDNet standards - trolling is not tolerated there to anywhere near the level allowed on JREF.

Eventually he was banned and migrated here where he put up the same obsessive interest in weight distribution.

Then banned here - I presume for similar reasons to RDNet Forum.

Somewhat surprising to me given the tolerance this forum extends to trolling; Off Topic and such "sins". (No reference to Wiliam Smith esq)

 

[TheDaver]

Meta-comment:
It looks like the truthers by-and-large realize they can’t get away with saying any of the usual crap in the comments section, so they’re desperately trying to downvote all the positive comments into obscurity. Pretty funny.

 

[nicepants]

So heres Gage embarrasing himself, in a way I'm sure some truthers still won't understand even if its spelled out for them.

Read along with the annotations on the screen and also in the notes.

Well done. Just points out how the truthers want to have their cake and eat it too. I wish someone would call Gage out on this.

 

[Gamolon]

Thanks for the video James. I wonder how all that steel- some pieces weighing many tons flew up to six hundred feet (the length of two football fields end-to-end) away fro the footprints when it shuld have fallen straight down in a gravity-only collapse ?

You use the word "flew" like you actually saw beams ejected from the building to land 600 feet away.

Let's see.

If I had a 1350' high steel wall constructed of columns like the perimeter facade of the towers and used a force to push the very top to start it to topple sideways, how far do you think the topmost columns of said wall would fall away from it's own footprint at the bottom?

In videos of the collapse, do you happen to see any of the perimeter column facades topple away from the tower proper as the mass of debris falls down the center and pushes the facades outward?

Just curious.

 

[Edx]

I think I need to rewrite the last annotation to make it more obvious.

If Gage says that they used many times more explosives than they used in a typical demolition, this means it should be LOUDER than typical demolitions.

He cant then say it was quiet because of thermite.

LOL

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Shouldn't that say:

RETARDED

I could always change that!

 

[CHF]

So heres Gage embarrasing himself, in a way I'm sure some truthers still won't understand even if its spelled out for them.

Read along with the annotations on the screen and also in the notes.





I originally put it on youtube in order to use it in a debate I was having without having to host the audio on my server. So I do plan on doing a more interesting video on this same thing.

(please rate and subscribe if you like it )

Ah, nice to hear my phone call to Richard Gage again

His rambling answer as to why thermite blasts concrete into dust but isn't loud never fails to amuse me.

 

[JamesB]

Thanks for the video James. I wonder how all that steel- some pieces weighing many tons flew up to six hundred feet (the length of two football fields end-to-end) away fro the footprints when it shuld have fallen straight down in a gravity-only collapse ? .

Wait a minute, truthers, including Gage himself, have been saying for years that there is no way the towers could have collapsed "straight down through the path of most resistance". Now you are claiming that they had to. Make up your freaking minds already.

 

[Edx]

As predicted truthers wouldnt understand the contradiction.

From the comment section.

What a juggling act, a theory that requires two mutually exclusive scenarios, powerful concussive explosives that are silent and slow acting. Simply unreal!

@iamgoddard: Thermite can do that, Trust me nothing is unreal when Americans have the ability to manipulate the wheather with a secret project called HAARP

 

[Jono]

Thermite can do that, Trust me nothing is unreal when Americans have the ability to manipulate the wheather with a secret project called HAARP

Nothing is unreal? That sums it up then.

 

[dafydd]

But as you know, there are strong suspicions that the government has ttampered with all of that.

The "strong suspicions" only come from truther numpties,not from sane people.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

banned, for being off topic

Oh, you said "being" for a moment I thought it said "beating."

 

[leftysergeant]

Thanks for the video James. I wonder how all that steel- some pieces weighing many tons flew up to six hundred feet (the length of two football fields end-to-end) away fro the footprints when it shuld have fallen straight down in a gravity-only collapse ?

Total crap. There were tons of material pushing out on those segments of the perimeter. How are they going to fall straight down? Falling straight down would be an indicator that they were cut with explosives, rather than peeled open like a banana by the over-pressurization of the interior.

There wasn't even a 'jolt' where the pieces might have been thrown somewhat to the side.

Why would there be a jolt when the perimeter segments are ridiong on a gradually-increasing flow of debris? There would be a "jolt" only if they were set instananeously into motion by explosives.

The height does not mean that the rubble would travel any further away than if the Towers were only ten feet tall.

That has to be the dumbest thing i have ever seen you post. As long as there is any lateral element to the trajectory of a falling object, the distance from its starting point at which it comes to rest is directly related to the height from which it fell.

So we have to say that it looks like explosives were used visually...

Errrmmm...Problem. This statement is utterly false and obviously so to anyone who knows more than the average twoofer about what explosions look like. (This group includes anyone who has served in the military or worked in mining with explosives or read books about explosives and has an IQ over room temperature.)

... and then we have several hundred witness eports of heavy-duty explosions (118 of those reports coming directly from the FDNY itself) so we can say it sounds like there were explosions.

Well, no, we can't. There is no reliable source for this.

The only thing we don't have is the explosive sounds on the 9/11 videos. But as you know, there are strong suspicions that the government has ttampered with all of that. After all we know where most of that footage came from.

We have ZERO evidence that they were altered by the government. FDNY would have been screaming "RAPE!" if they had.

So the preponderance of the evidence shows that explosives were used at the WTC on 9/11.

What evidence?

 

[twinstead]

What evidence?

It appears that bill thinks he can just pull 'evidence' out of his nether regions and declare victory. One of these days he's going to actually become aware that what he calls evidence needs to withstand scrutiny to be really evidence.

Cross examination ROCKS!