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Has everybody seen this video of Richard Gage engaged in a debate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKFiGfW6aGY
(do a YouTube search on "9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009")

Is the guy he's debating with really one of the pro-official version posters here?

There is some interesting stuff in the comment section of that video.
 
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Has everybody seen this video of Richard Gage engaged in a debate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKFiGfW6aGY
(do a YouTube search on "9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009")

Is the guy he's debating with really one of the pro-official version posters here?

There is some interesting stuff in the comment section of that video.

Are you surprised? Gage is selling lies for a living (literally - he pays himself $70K a year for promoting ********). He is practicing the art of overwhelming debate opponents with ******** pretty much every day.

But did you notice all the lies he tells? Like the lie that WTC7 fires were small. The lie that the whole building fell at freefall acceleration. That old lie of "several tons of molten iron found at the base of all three of these towers". The lie that Leslie Robertson saw molten steel. That lie about chemical evidence for thermite in the dust. How he lies about Silverstein's interview that contains the "pull it" quote. A rapid-fire cascade of lies. How would you defend against that kind of bullying debate tactic?
 
That old lie of "several tons of molten iron found at the base of all three of these towers".
I wasn't there to see it with my own eyes but there seems to be a lot of video that shows molten metal.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8989407671184881047#
(do a GoogleVideo search on "What's The Truth?: How Indeed Did The Twin Towers Collapse")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSh5o6ca8FM
(do a YouTube search on "Scientists Finds Nano Explosive Material in WTC Dust. April 6, 2009.")
 
I wasn't there to see it with my own eyes but there seems to be a lot of video that shows molten metal.

I suggest you take a look at the Periodic Table, find out how many metals there are, and then ask yourself how many of them are iron. Molten metal, as we have pointed out ad nauseam, is commonplace in ordinary building fires. Truthers love to equivocate it with "molten iron," but it's not actually possible to distinguish between different molten metals using the Mk. 1 Eyeball alone.

Dave
 
I wasn't there to see it with my own eyes but there seems to be a lot of video that shows molten metal.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8989407671184881047#
(do a GoogleVideo search on "What's The Truth?: How Indeed Did The Twin Towers Collapse")

Oh cripes. That's a 1 1/2 hour video. Can you please point me to the min:sec where molten metal is shown? Also note that "metal" does not imply "steel". Nobody doubts that all sorts of metals get molten in large office fires and even in trash heap fires. Steel just doesn't happen to feature prominently there.

If you can't point me to where there is molten steel shown in that video, I will assume that there is no molten steel shown in that video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSh5o6ca8FM
(do a YouTube search on "Scientists Finds Nano Explosive Material in WTC Dust. April 6, 2009.")

Thoroughly Debunked.
 
Like the lie that WTC7 fires were small.
I'm not an expert but I urge that the viewers read what truthers say too.

Here's a good place to read what truthers say about building seven.
http://letsrollforums.com/world-trade-center-7-f29.html?

Lots of truthers post in the comment sections of YouTube videos.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=building+seven+collapse&aq=f

If you can't point me to where there is molten steel shown in that video, I will assume that there is no molten steel shown in that video.
I watched it about two years ago and I can't remember exactly where it was and I don't have time to look for the footage now.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8989407671184881047#

Any truth-seeker will watch all the truther videos so he will know what the truther position is.
 
I watched it about two years ago and I can't remember exactly where it was and I don't have time to look for the footage now.

So you want us to address evidence you can't be bothered to present? The phrase "Go fish" springs to mind.

Any truth-seeker will watch all the truther videos so he will know what the truther position is.

Life's too short. And there's no such thing as "the truther position" on anything at all except the date of 9/11. Are the hijackers alive, were they killed before the attacks, were they killed in the attacks, or did they never exist? Was it conventional explosives, thermite, nuclear weapons or energy beams from space that brought down the towers? Were the planes airliners, military planes disguised as airliners, holograms, real airliners with cloaing devices so they could appear to hit the towers then vanish, or completely nonexistent and unseen in reality and only ever seen in doctored television broadcasts? Was all the rubble turned to dust, was there molten steel in the rubble pile for weeks, or was all the steel shipped immediately to China before anyone could examine it? Did the Twin Towers fall at freefall speed, faster than freefall, slower than freefall but not slowly enough, or exactly as fast as would be expected but with some tiny features that don't quite agree with a vastly oversimplified collapse model? All of these sets of mutually contradictory hypothesis fragments are encompassed by what you blithely describe as "the truther position."

A reasonable person will watch a few truther videos, realise that (a) they all contradict each other, (b) quite a lot of them even contradict themselves, and (c) they grossly and blatantly misrepresent and distort the evidence, and will then decide that the whole thing is garbage. When presented with yet another garbage video to watch, the reasonable truth seeker will respond, "Why should I take this one seriously, when all the others are such crap?"

This is not, in general, a question truthers can answer satisfactorily.

Dave
 
I'm not an expert but I urge that the viewers read what truthers say too.
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It doesn't matter much what truthers say with regard to the fires in WTC7. What matters is what the fire fighters at the scene, especially the officers in charge, said: The building was fully involved in fire and in danger of collapse.

I watched it about two years ago and I can't remember exactly where it was and I don't have time to look for the footage now.

My assumption stands: No molten steel shown anywhere in that movie.
We have debated the molten steel issue so many times; no truther has ever shown any image or video of molten steel. Molten metal: yes. Molten steel: No. Certainly not "tons" of it in the basements.

(Besides, even IF there had been large pools of molten steel anywhere, that would not by long stretch mean anything at all with regard to the reasons for collapse. Even if many many tons of thermite had been used: Whatever molten material might have been produced by the initial reaction would have mixed with much more cool material in the collapse that followed, nearly all of it would have solidified within seconds, and all of it within minutes)

Any truth-seeker will watch all the truther videos so he will know what the truther position is.

Get a life. Don't spam links.
 
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Any truth-seeker will watch all the truther videos so he will know what the truther position is.


Gotta love that one!



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Get a life. Don't spam links.
I post two links that support my position and you call it spam. What can I say? The viewers are watching and judging.

You pro-official version people pretty much destroyed you credibility back on this thread anyway.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7211959&postcount=260

You said something that obviously wasn't true and half the people agreed with you and the other half refused to answer when I asked if everyone agreed with you. You can pretend all you want but that was a pretty basic issue and you obviously didn't believe your own argument. The people who backed you lost their credibility and the people who didn't comment on it didn't look too good either.

Then you all tried to bury the issue to reduce the number of people who saw it.
 
I post two links that support my position and you call it spam. What can I say? The viewers are watching and judging.

You pro-official version people pretty much destroyed you credibility back on this thread anyway.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7211959&postcount=260

You said something that obviously wasn't true and half the people agreed with you and the other half refused to answer when I asked if everyone agreed with you. You can pretend all you want but that was a pretty basic issue and you obviously didn't believe your own argument. The people who backed you lost their credibility and the people who didn't comment on it didn't look too good either.

Then you all tried to bury the issue to reduce the number of people who saw it.

You never even understood what I wrote. Your math is that bad. Therefore I don't classify your gross misrepresentations of my posts in that thread as lying. You simply had no chance to get it right. You are not good enough.
 
You pro-official version people pretty much destroyed you credibility back on this thread anyway.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7211959&postcount=260

This is part of the problem. Since you're basically delusional, you honestly think that you won an exchange where, more accurately, you simply demonstrated your ignorance of simple arithmetic. All Oystein was pointing out is that the percentage difference between two numbers is different according to whether it's expressed as a percentage of the higher or the lower number. If you see your continued inability to grasp this point as some kind of victory, then it's hard to know exactly how to interact with you in any meaningful way at all.

Dave
 
You may sway a few people who haven't read the thread by this but the people who actually read it will know that you're misrepresenting what happened.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7211959&postcount=260

No. You misrepresented what I said.
Stop making the assertion that it was anybody else, but not you, who got pretty much everything wrong in that dismal thread. Everybody can read it and see how badly you failed. You are embarrassing yourself.

ETA:
In this post, you were shown how and where you misrepresented me:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7213573&postcount=278

And here is my reply:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7214043&postcount=284

Don't pretend your arse hasn't been handed to you many times.
 
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There is some interesting stuff in the comment section of that video.
Ah, yes... it was an interesting experience to comment on the video. Every truth movement supporter that insulted me pretty much also thought I, and 50 other people were all the same guy that was in the video in what I can only describe as some of the most bizarre delusional accusations I've ever had levied on me. Accusations of being a shill, apologist, etc are typically the norm on TM youtube comment sections... but I chuckled when I was accused of that... of all things
 
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Why doens't Gage and the AE911 crew just pay for a building demolition? Instead of trying to prove how the towers were brought down by having ads on TV and having debates, just put togehter a collection of money and get a 10-12 story building wired with "Super Thermite". Show us how that building, only 12 or so stories, can be brought down easily with thermite. Then show us how moltel steel is created. Next, show us how no beams leave any proof of the thermite, do experiments on the dust and publish the results, etc etc etc etc etc. The list could go on forever.

I'm guessing this has crossed their minds, but unlike the Myth Busters, they know they will debunk themselves, and not debunk the OT.

-Scotty
 
This is part of the problem. Since you're basically delusional, you honestly think that you won an exchange where, more accurately, you simply demonstrated your ignorance of simple arithmetic. All Oystein was pointing out is that the percentage difference between two numbers is different according to whether it's expressed as a percentage of the higher or the lower number. If you see your continued inability to grasp this point as some kind of victory, then it's hard to know exactly how to interact with you in any meaningful way at all.

Dave
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This. I don't understand how Freddy fails to understand simple mathmetics.
 

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