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RFK: Are We Sure?

vtbub

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We've beaten JFK's death to death in another recent thread here, but what about RFK?

I don't want to suggest that Sirhan Sirhan was not involved or that the mafia pro-anti-Castro's used a hush-a-boom gun to pull it off, but in your view did the LAPD get it right? Did Sirhan really get close enough to leave powder burns on RFK's ear as suggested by the coroner? Were only 8 shots fired? Is there really anything to the Polka Dot girl and her claims on the back staircase? Does that audio tape found a few years ago yield more shots?


I'm not saying that there was a conspiracy, but it always has intrigued me more than all that was alleged to have happened in Dallas.
 
At a parole board hearing quite some time back, Sirhan Sirhan said that RFK himself would have wanted him to be paroled.

Wouldn't you know it, the ONE guy who could have got him out on parole and he's dead.
 
vtbub said:
We've beaten JFK's death to death in another recent thread here, but what about RFK?

I don't want to suggest that Sirhan Sirhan was not involved or that the mafia pro-anti-Castro's used a hush-a-boom gun to pull it off, but in your view did the LAPD get it right? Did Sirhan really get close enough to leave powder burns on RFK's ear as suggested by the coroner? Were only 8 shots fired? Is there really anything to the Polka Dot girl and her claims on the back staircase? Does that audio tape found a few years ago yield more shots?


I'm not saying that there was a conspiracy, but it always has intrigued me more than all that was alleged to have happened in Dallas.
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If the Manchurian Candidate theory is a possibility, Sirhan was perfectly cast..
 
Robert Prey said:
If the Manchurian Candidate theory is a possibility, Sirhan was perfectly cast..
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Oh, nooooooo!


ETA: Sorry. Gut reaction. Let me amend that to read: "Do tell, Robert? Are you just taking artistic license and speculating or do you have some evidence you'd like to present?"
 
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GregHouseMD said:
At a parole board hearing quite some time back, Sirhan Sirhan said that RFK himself would have wanted him to be paroled.

Wouldn't you know it, the ONE guy who could have got him out on parole and he's dead.
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I seem to remember that Mark Chapman said exactly the same thing about John Lennon and even had had visits from his ghost to prove it.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Oh, nooooooo!


ETA: Sorry. Gut reaction. Let me amend that to read: "Do tell, Robert? Are you just taking artistic license and speculating or do you have some evidence you'd like to present?"
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Can't wait for the out-of-context quotes to come from him on this.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Oh, nooooooo!


ETA: Sorry. Gut reaction. Let me amend that to read: "Do tell, Robert? Are you just taking artistic license and speculating or do you have some evidence you'd like to present?"
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Just this thought:

ABC News

Dr. Cyril Wecht said the coroner in the RFK case gave "unchallenged, unequivocal" testimony to the grand jury that Kennedy had been shot from behind at close range. Witnesses all put Sirhan in front of Kennedy."

"Wecht said it was scientifically plausible to hypnotize someone and induce them to murder, but said he did not know if there was enough evidence to suggest that in Sirhan's case. "

http://abcnews.go.com/US/robert-ken...an-brainwashed/story?id=13029050#.Tsj_M1b2LY8
 
Robert Prey said:
Just this thought:

ABC News

Dr. Cyril Wecht said the coroner in the RFK case gave "unchallenged, unequivocal" testimony to the grand jury that Kennedy had been shot from behind at close range. Witnesses all put Sirhan in front of Kennedy."

"Wecht said it was scientifically plausible to hypnotize someone and induce them to murder, but said he did not know if there was enough evidence to suggest that in Sirhan's case. "

http://abcnews.go.com/US/robert-ken...an-brainwashed/story?id=13029050#.Tsj_M1b2LY8
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So why would you need to hypnotise somebody to shoot a guy.... If somebody else shot him from behind? Why introduce any element of hypnotism?
 
Tomtomkent said:
So why would you need to hypnotise somebody to shoot a guy.... If somebody else shot him from behind? Why introduce any element of hypnotism?
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And what would a Pathologist know about hypnotism? This is, no doubt, one of Robert's favorite pathologists (see JFK '78 hearings).
 
Someone else besides Robert want to offer at least a realistic theory?
 
Sure. You are a secret service agent who, for what ever reason doesn't like Bobby.

A lone nutter runes into the room with a pistol and all hell breaks loose.

You think "Sure why not?" and pop Bobby in the back of the head, neatly and descretely. All eyes are on the nutter. You get lucky.


I don't think that happened, I don't think there was a conspiracy, but if there was, that is a thousand times more plausible than hypnotic suggestion. Even if you DID deliberately employ a patsy, you would just let a poor dumb schlob think you would let him get a few shots off before he was arrested, and arrangements made later. There are enough people out there who think they can shoot the attorney general with out hypnotism to be deployed.
 
Let me clarify a couple facts here.

First, there was no Secret Service protection at that point. It wasn't even LAPD protection. It was a rent-a-cop that brought him through the pantry.

Second, RFK was a Senator from New York. He got the seat the same way Clinton did it in 2000. Run first, establish residency after you win. Not trying to be nitpicky, but want to make sure that anyone new knows the facts.

Regarding your much more conceivable theory. Stranger things have happened. Was it likely? No, but someone had to get close enough to fire a shot within an inch or two.

I've read some not so flattering things about the guard that brought him through the pantry such as a missing gun and not a fan of RFK's politics, but even then it doesn't guarantee that he shot him.

If the situation actually did play out that way, that would not guarantee a conspiracy, just two different shooters. If you could tie together Sirhan and the cop, then of course you would have one if they both shot.

I'm not buying the Manchurian thing either.
 
Sirhan fired a number of shots, no question about that. Why in the world are they trying to go forward with a hypnosis defense though is beyond me. The best they could do is try to prove that he didn't fire the fatal shot. If they can establish that more than eight shots were fired or that Sirhan could not have fired the fatal shot as described in the autopsy, then they could have something.

By claiming that he was a brainwashed shooter, however, puts an almost impossible job to his lawyers to prove his innocence. Since he'll never be executed for what happened, why not try for an attempted murder charge or name some names.
 
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