Rev. Wright to retire to 1.6 million-dollar home in mostly white gated community

[Suddenly]

Picking on Wright because he moved to a mostly white neighborhood. No.... no racism involved there. How dare a black man have money and want to maybe secure himself from the giant target he has on his back because people are convinced he hates america and loves Al Quedaassadaa. He should live in the hood like a "real" black man. You know, keeping it real and all.

It is fairly clear the Wright is more than the sum of his soundbites. He seved both in the marines and navy, for example. Who knows what positive things he had done because, well, nobody cares. He said a few offensive things and has some rather unsavory beliefs accoding to most people... and that ends the discussion of his qualities.

It is much easier to judge a caricature than a human being. Is he the picture of perfection? No. He is big easy target in a society made up of people who, admit it or not, are not entirely comfortable with a black man as a president.. So any chance to revisit the issue is jumped on with both feet, to the point he is implicity mocked for choosing to live among white people.

If some white conservative who carries a taint of racism were to settle in a mostly black community, the implication would be that maybe he isn't so racist. When a black man does it, apparently he is some sort of traitor to his race...

 

[BPSCG]

If some white conservative who carries a taint of racism were to settle in a mostly black community, the implication would be that maybe he isn't so racist. When a black man does it, apparently he is some sort of traitor to his race...

Hey, if he's a black conservative, it doesn't matter where he lives; he's automatically a traitor to his race. Ask Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Or Ward Connerly. Or Michael Steele.

 

[WildCat]

Hey, if he's a black conservative, it doesn't matter where he lives; he's automatically a traitor to his race Uncle Tom. Ask Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Or Ward Connerly. Or Michael Steele.

Fixed that for you Beeps, use the proper terms approved by the purveyors of racial pollitics! Only white people can be traitors to their race, blacks are Uncle Toms.

 

[dudalb]

It is fairly clear the Wright is more than the sum of his soundbites. He seved both in the marines and navy, for example. Who knows what positive things he had done because, well, nobody cares. He said a few offensive things and has some rather unsavory beliefs accoding to most people... and that ends the discussion of his qualities.

I wonder if the poster of this would be as understanding if it wasaa White Male Republican who made an inflamatory racial comment.
And anybody who does not find Wright's comments offensive and unsavory is somebody who I would not want within a hundred miles of public office.
Actually, If I were in the McCain campaign, for the Dems to try to defend Wright and play the race card would make me very happy.
Any bets as to how long until someone in the Democratic party out and out says that anybody who does support Obama is a racist?

 

[Puppycow]

Obama will get the nomination, but his connection with Wright will hurt him badly come November.

If republicans are still flogging Wright in November it will be a signal that they don't want the election to be about the real issues. If a majority of people in November want the Iraq occupation to continue indefinitely, John McCain will be president. If they want it to end ASAP, Barack Obama will be. Maybe there are significant numbers of people who don't care whether it continues indefinitely or ends ASAP or for whom it is a lower priority than a red herring like this, but I doubt it.

 

[shuize]

I'm not sure the Republicans will have to fan the Wright issue for it to continue to hurt Obama down the road. It will more likely be like the alcoholic uncle who keeps showing up when you don't want him around.

If Obama tries to push the "unifier on race" or "post-racial candidate" message, for example, questions about his association with Wright are bound to return.

I also think Republicans can raise the issue indirectly by questioning Obama's experience and judgment. Themes which, following Rezko's likely upcoming conviction, I can guarantee we'll be hearing a lot more.

 

[Suddenly]

Hey, if he's a black conservative, it doesn't matter where he lives; he's automatically a traitor to his race. Ask Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Or Ward Connerly. Or Michael Steele.

Thomas should send a thank you card to Anita Hill each year on the anniversary of his confirmation. If it wasn't for that stupid sideshow the fact that he is a fringe whacko (not because he is a right wing ninny... I'm talking jurisprudence here) takes center stage rather than his pubic hair and he gets Borked.

It was a sort of lynching though. Liberals were generally ticked that Bush, more or less forced into the corner of picking a black man to replace the only black man on the court, found a right wing ninny even though he had to dig pretty deep to do so. Sexual harassment is serious stuff, but there was more going on back then. A good example of judging a caricature rather than a human being. Except in Thomas's case it kinda helped him.

Yes, black conservatives are often unfairly treated by those too emotional on the left. Which is as sad.

 

[Suddenly]

I wonder if the poster of this would be as understanding if it wasaa White Male Republican who made an inflamatory racial comment.

The poster is a life long West Virginian who grew up with many friends who have said downright horrible things. Some of these people turned out to be scum, others are just conditioned as to language and react well to being confronted about it.

What is your point? That stupidity one way legitimizes stupidity the other way?

And anybody who does not find Wright's comments offensive and unsavory is somebody who I would not want within a hundred miles of public office.

Obama, to pick someone at random, has been through this nonsense and made it clear he considers this horrible, but not dispositive as to someone's worth as a human being. I can identify seeing I have friends who are really good people. and who if one were to youtube and repeat some of their comments they would come across as pure evil.

Actually, If I were in the McCain campaign, for the Dems to try to defend Wright and play the race card would make me very happy.
Any bets as to how long until someone in the Democratic party out and out says that anybody who does support Obama is a racist?

I'm sure there are those for whom this is the case that will grasp at straws to legitimize their feelings.

They aren't defending Wright. What is happening is that the public is largely tired of this kind of sillyness and don't see Obama as a racist anti-American despite his unfortunate choice of ministers. It has no legs.

 

[WildCat]

If a majority of people in November want the Iraq occupation to continue indefinitely, John McCain will be president. If they want it to end ASAP, Barack Obama will be.

I think the economy will be the #1 issue, Iraq a distant 2nd.

 

[Puppycow]

I think the economy will be the #1 issue, Iraq a distant 2nd.

That would work just as well for Obama. If people think it's the #1 issue, then they probably think its in bad shape. And more people prefer democrats on the economy (53% to 34% in a recent poll).

Look at some of these numbers

67% of people think that the Iraq war has contributed to economic problems in the US "a lot."

On Iraq

68% of people want US troops out within 2 years, while only 20% are willing to leave them in longer than 2 years.

The price of oil was much lower in 2003 before the war. In was in the $20-$30/barrel range. Now it's over 110 last I checked. A Nobel prize-winning economist estimated the cost of the war at $3 trillion (about $10,000 per capita). There's a case to be made here and polls say that 2/3 of voters are likely to agree with that case if it's made.

 

[SezMe]

I think the economy will be the #1 issue, Iraq a distant 2nd.

WildCat, I agree with you. I am extremely down on the economy - both here in the USA and worldwide. I think between now and November the economic fit is going to hit the shan. One of the big banks is going to tip over and take a lot of little guys with him. The Fed has limited arms to fight such an event. It's going to be a mess.

Now the Dems will try to tie Iraq to the economy - and rightly so IMO. That might push up the visibility of Iraq but not above people's own back pocket.

 

[Just thinking]

What's one more "average white person" behind gates matter?
* Don't EVEN try to argue Wright is Black* Have you seen the man?

Beat me to it. I was going to say he's more white than my Italian relatives.

 

[Bob Klase]

If republicans are still flogging Wright in November it will be a signal that they don't want the election to be about the real issues.

It's never about the real issues, it's about winning. If the candidate (no matter which party) thinks the real issues will get them the most votes then it's about the issues. If they think avoiding the issues will get them elected they'll avoid the issues.

You could even say that complaining about the other party avoiding the issues is in itself diverting attention from the real issues.

 

[Elind]

Via Christopher Hitchens


A rich, white, gated community. Home bought and paid for by the church

Chicago Tribune story

Want to bet he is still "employed" by the church and therefore the property is "used" by the church, and he pays not a penny for the local property taxes, which his neighbors do?

Guess who wouldn't be coming for dinner if I lived there.

 

[T.A.M.]

nah...too easy...too mean!!

TAM

 

[Tricky]

Who gives a damn what color the gates are?