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Responsible howitzer owner shells house 5km away...

They are legal unless banned by the state or other jurisdiction. I think they are rarely banned as there hasn't been many problems with them.

Obviously, though, pre-1898 manufacture or design, not fixed ammunition capable and not a machine gun.

The owner's use of "historic" in the video, the Full Auto corporate moniker and the metric bore leads me to believe this was an NFA-registered curio/relic.
 
“The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that it’s difficult to determine whether or not they are genuine.” -- Abraham Lincoln.

Franklin's actual quote was "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Reply to the Governor (1755). The one I listed is a paraphrased derivative.
 
All kidding aside if there was some danger that required artillery to kill, I'd change my tone, like, i don't know really big gangs that are constantly rampaging, or Godzilla Esq monsters. But as it stands, not so much,

AGREED

:)


(if things got as bad as either one of those alternatives and we had no civil or military forces to address them,...I don't think a few isolated popguns manned by people who occasionally miss their targets by 5 km or so are going to help much!)
 
They are legal unless banned by the state or other jurisdiction. I think they are rarely banned as there hasn't been many problems with them.

Why should they be illegal?

Ranb

How about regulating that they only be fired by crews trained, experienced and certified in their operations? Not saying that this wasn't the case here, nor that even experienced crews cannot make mistakes or even that bizarre unlikely events don't occasionally happen. But this incident could have been much worse, and without some such standards how do we insure that these types of incidents remain rare, freakish events?
 
The way i see it is that if a gun has a legitimate use (defense, or hunting ), it is in societies best interest to let people use it as a toy (referring to target shooting, or other non defense related purposes) people will become more comfortable and proficient in it's use, leading to better outcomes in situations where it needs to be used and less accidental harm to the users. So for just about any gun, i say load it up and fire away. I'm pretty darn accepting of weapons of almost all kinds, i enjoy them, think they are beneficial to society, and that anyone who can safely be trained to use one should have one.

That being said, what the hell logic is used that says a civilian can have artillery? It is mind boggling, if we were talking reservists, or full time military personnel, who obtained a special permit, i could digg that, they may be able to put skills to use they learn via firing it, but seriously we are not talking something that can kill one other person (which for the record in cool with), or even something that can kill lots of other people if need be (again, totally down, who knows what one may face), but something that can take out buildings.

I just don't get it, i believe in weapon ownership because while violence is rare, it does happen, so people should be able to be prepared, and if people can own weapons they should be able to do what they want with them within legal boundaries, but come on folks, artillery? Could we maybe tone it down just a bit? Maybe stop at any gun to big to carry for private citizens? It's crap like this that really gives the anti gun folks ammo.
 
I doin't think artillery can be banned or even regulated without either breaching or amending the constitution, can it?
 
It's OK with Opera and no adblock. Salon.com does bork it though.
 
...At this year's Full Auto Shoot and Trade Show, apparently they had a one-oh-five howitzer available for recreational firing. That sounds like it maybe should be illegal. Is anyone familiar with this place or the show?

...Why should they be illegal?...

Why should firing artillery guns for fun be banned? Because of the destructive power they possess. Because of the potential for mayhem. Because of what happened in Oklahoma. They hit and seriously damaged someone's house and the individuals who sponsored the event and made the gun available don't even know what went wrong other than to call it a freak accident.

As I mentioned previously, I spent eighteen months at Ft. Sill OK with the HQ unit of III Corps Artillery. Artillery units are a valuable asset for any military force to have available. They're not toys.
 
How about regulating that they only be fired by crews trained, experienced and certified in their operations? Not saying that this wasn't the case here, nor that even experienced crews cannot make mistakes or even that bizarre unlikely events don't occasionally happen. But this incident could have been much worse, and without some such standards how do we insure that these types of incidents remain rare, freakish events?
By worrying more about other dangerous but more common events? :jaw-dropp
 
There are some contradictions in the information conveyed by Mike Friend the owner of Mike's Auto Shoot.

In the link in the OP, Friend:
insists the historic weapon was safely fired by professionals in a downward projection.

Later he says:
“As far as the safety end of everything, we drill every one of our shooters before it ever begins,” Friend said. “We have 30-45 minute drill.”

Why would he need to drill trained professionals on safety? He also said:
“For that thing to rise and go far northwest of the range, it’s just unheard of.”

How does he know that? He admitted they had never fired the gun before. Like I said previously, artillery guns aren't toys. If businesses are going to start acquiring artillery guns for recreational shooters, if it's going to be legal, their use should be strictly regulated.
 
It was a long time ago but as I think about I believe I did hear something else about it. The sergeant and I were not the only people to have seen it. In fact I believe a colonel in some office saw it and made inquiries. I don't really remember if anything came of it.

Wow, an artillery round fired close to barracks! Sounds like a really interesting incident. I'd like to find out more about this event. What were the names of the sergeant and the Colonel who also witnessed this bungle? What year did this occur?
 
Wow, an artillery round fired close to barracks! Sounds like a really interesting incident. I'd like to find out more about this event. What were the names of the sergeant and the Colonel who also witnessed this bungle? What year did this occur?

Crikey, who put kerosene on your cornflakes?
 
By worrying more about other dangerous but more common events? :jaw-dropp

That seems to be a nonsequitor, how does worrying about anything help keep a currently infrequent occurrence at the same (or reduced) level of frequency?

All I am suggesting is a set of regulations which insure that the only civilians who can legally fire artillery in the U.S. are teams of people who have been trained, practiced on the equipment being fired, and certified in all primary aspects of artillery implementation. That does not, to me, seem an overly onerous set of considerations given that we are talking about weapons that are considered to have killed more people in combat than most other weapons in the human arsenal.
 
Why should they be illegal?

Because even when fired "safely", they obviously pose a risk to life and property that can't be mitigated. I'm sorry, but if the thing can be "pointed at the ground" and fired by ultra-mega-super-safety-drilled trained professionals and still manage to blow a hole in a house three miles away, it's time to put the toy down. Preferably in a museum or static display where it can't fire anything anymore.
 
Why would he need to drill trained professionals on safety?

Because they're professional? I suggest what he's communicating here is that the person paying the fee is drilled along with the professional crew before firing the weapon. It would be a hallmark of a professional crew to have a lengthy safety briefing before any live fire exercise.
 

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