Resolved: Trump is guilty, literally, of murder

[Ranb]

I'm going with: Woodward is an ass for waiting until his book release.

Trump already publicly downplayed covid-19, then declared a national emergency, then said it would go away magically. This latest from Woodard is just more of the same. Trumpsters will not believe it and I don't think he will be impeached over it.

Ranb

 

[JoeMorgue]

Sure, if it were just another affair, his supporters might not care. But there has to be some point at which they will care, right?

No. There's isn't. They'll follow that bastard into the gates of Hell just to watch the liberals get triggered by it.

 

[MisAndreG]

Yeah, he’s a murder. You know what though? This doesn’t shock me at all. This is Trump. I would argue there are no shocking or scandalous revelations about Trump - that would imply there are things that are disreputable to be revealed about him.

What would really shock me is a revelation that Trump has an actual friend of that he did something self-sacrificing for someone. But this? Negligent murder? Totally Trump.

 

[Horatius]

No. There's isn't. They'll follow that bastard into the gates of Hell just to watch the liberals get triggered by it.

Okay, so are you buying the matches, or do you want me to pick them up?

 

[Mojo]

Above it, for sure. As bad as his Ukraine BS was in terms of illegality, it ultimately had little impact on the lives of those who need to be convinced to vote against him. To them, it was just one more political scandal involving foreigners with hard to pronounce names, that they couldn't keep straight from one day to the next.

But this hits them all directly. Lots have gotten sick, some have died, more of them know people who've died. Millions have been put out of work or lost their businesses because of this.

Yeah, but it was the response to the pandemic that did that. By minimising the risk, Trump was protecting his supporters, or at least the ones still able to vote. Right? Dead men cast no votes.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Sure, if it were just another affair, his supporters might not care. But there has to be some point at which they will care, right? What if he was found having a homosexual affair? Do you still think his supporters would vote for him?

If we're really at the point that they really don't care about him murdering thousands upon thousands of Americans, we might as well just burn down the country and be done with it.

True. I don't want to use the terms like "enemies of the people" that Trump throws around, but anyone still supporting Trump at this point is either wilfully ignorant of what he's done (a lot of cases), or... I don't know. Because either they don't know how bad Trump is, or... they don't care. Or they still support him. That's really the only possibilities that exist. Trumpkins don't know, or don't care.

That people can see this news item, with audio recordings and everything, and still come barging into the discussion to yell "bubutwhatabout--" or "bothsidesbad!!" speaks volumes. I'm not sure about what, but I can't imagine it's good.

 

[Mojo]

Yeah, he’s a murder. You know what though? This doesn’t shock me at all. This is Trump. I would argue there are no shocking or scandalous revelations about Trump - that would imply there are things that are disreputable to be revealed about him.

What would really shock me is a revelation that Trump has an actual friend of that he did something self-sacrificing for someone. But this? Negligent murder? Totally Trump.

A revelation that Trump has an actual friend would surprise me.

 

[Horatius]

A revelation that Trump has an actual friend would surprise me.

Let's be clear - the only surprising thing about this is that Trump was stupid enough to say this to a reporter that he knew was recording him.


I mean, I knew Trump was an idiot, but there's stupid and then there's stupid, ya know? I'm actually a little shocked that he's actually stupider than I thought he was.

 

[Babbylonian]

Sure, if it were just another affair, his supporters might not care. But there has to be some point at which they will care, right? What if he was found having a homosexual affair? Do you still think his supporters would vote for him?

Without question. He's already been accused in a court filing of having beaten and raped a 13-year-old girl. One of his ex-wives described him raping her and only withdrew the accusation so that she could cash out of their divorce proceedings. If his last name was Clinton and he had (D) after his name, there would be no end to Republicans holding hearings about his sexual peccadillos.

If we're really at the point that they really don't care about him murdering thousands upon thousands of Americans, we might as well just burn down the country and be done with it.

We are at that point. We've been at that point for months. The evidence about COVID-19 has been available, Trump's response has been criminally negligent, and he is still defended and supported by the vast majority of his party.

While most sensible people will see Woodwards revelations and recordings as unimaginable admissions of callous disregard for human life, Trump supporters will call them "4-D chess" and hashtag "#Trump2020 #MAGA."

 

[Horatius]

We are at that point. We've been at that point for months. The evidence about COVID-19 has been available, Trump's response has been criminally negligent, and he is still defended and supported by the vast majority of his party.

While most sensible people will see Woodwards revelations and recordings as unimaginable admissions of callous disregard for human life, Trump supporters will call them "4-D chess" and hashtag "#Trump2020 #MAGA."

So you're buying the matches, then.

 

[Babbylonian]

So you're buying the matches, then.

I've gotten a little old to be throwing Molotov cocktails, but ask me again November 4th.

 

[Mojo]

Let's be clear - the only surprising thing about this is that Trump was stupid enough to say this to a reporter that he knew was recording him.


I mean, I knew Trump was an idiot, but there's stupid and then there's stupid, ya know? I'm actually a little shocked that he's actually stupider than I thought he was.

It’s not stupidity so much as arrogance. He thinks he can get away with it. He may even be right.

 

[Stacyhs]

Either you believe in the standard Horatius put forth in the OP, or you don't.

Horatius has the honesty to apply that standard evenly. You don't.

Classic tactic to try and put me on the defensive for a position I never took.

My post pointed out that, instead of addressing what TRUMP did, which was horrific, you instead misdirected to what WOODWARD DIDN'T DO. It's your classic reaction to avoid criticizing Trump.

 

[Guss]

It looks like all leaders are guilty according to the people of coo coo land

 

[Horatius]

I've gotten a little old to be throwing Molotov cocktails, but ask me again November 4th.

Poorly aimed fireworks seem to be doing a good job in California, just sayin'.

 

[Chanakya]

I don't think you need an emoji to read the sarcasm in that post.

You underestimate the stupidity and/or the disingenuousness of Chump worshipers. I've heard people say worse, and mean every word of it too. Not knowing the political leanings of someone saying something like this, would make this kind of thing the perfect Poe.

 

[Stacyhs]

You underestimate the stupidity and/or the disingenuousness of Chump worshipers. I've heard people say worse, and mean every word of it too. Not knowing the political leanings of someone saying something like this, would make this kind of thing the perfect Poe.

Unless one knows Cain, you're absolutely right. I thought Cain was serious when I first joined ISF until someone put me straight.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Yeah, but it was the response to the pandemic that did that. By minimising the risk, Trump was protecting his supporters, or at least the ones still able to vote. Right? Dead men cast no votes.

That's right. If we had stayed open so 100's of millions got infected, health services became overwhelmed and millions died, the economy would have been fine and nobody would have become unemployed.

It's all those people who stayed home rather than risk killing themselves and others who are responsible for the unemployment. What a bunch of selfish pricks they are, not putting their lives on the line for our Holy Economy!

That doesnt fit the definition of murder, negligent homicide perhaps, not murder.

Correct.

Trump - like all presidents before him - had to make a tough decision which would have resulted in people dying no matter what path he took. If he is guilty of murder then so is every president who sent troops into a war zone, or who didn't send them in when people would die without our protection. And people also died due to economic downturns, so any president who deliberately made a decision which would obviously damage the economy (eg. Bill Clinton signing the GLBA) is also guilty of murder!

If we held presidents to the same standard as ordinary citizens they would not be able to do their job without risking prosecution. This is why the president has to be 'above the law' for all but 'high crimes and misdemeanors', and why impeachment or the ballot box should be the only redress. If you don't want a murderer in the White House, don't put him there!

 

[Stacyhs]

That's right. If we had stayed open so 100's of millions got infected, health services became overwhelmed and millions died, the economy would have been fine and nobody would have become unemployed.

It's all those people who stayed home rather than risk killing themselves and others who are responsible for the unemployment. What a bunch of selfish pricks they are, not putting their lives on the line for our Holy Economy!

Not only that, but if those selfish old people had not stayed home, had gone out, gotten sick and died, the younger people would have been sitting pretty for Social Security and Medicare when they turn 65, too! All those old people now would be dead and not draining SS and Medicare.

 

[Chanakya]

Unless one knows Cain, you're absolutely right. I thought Cain was serious when I first joined ISF until someone put me straight.

Yeah, Poe neatly executed, in that case.

What's difficult to believe is how Chump gets people to dribble out imbecile justifications and support for every idiotic and blatantly self-serving thing he does and says. I mean, how do you GET to such sheer stupidity on the part of the Chump cultists, short of breeding them for stupid? After all, with that kind of a magical ability to have people support every ******* thing you do or say, who needs such boring things as actual performance on the job, if only there're enough such zombie followers?