Resistance Twitter 2.0

Where will the resistance end up posting, mostly?

  • Bluesky

    Votes: 16 72.7%

  • Threads

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • Mastodon

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other (please specify in comments)

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • On Planet X, we resist telepathically

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .
Rolfe said:
You can continue to disbelieve anything that threatens your world-view, of course. However, the distinction between "permanently suspended" and "banned" rather escapes me.
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Not permanently suspended and banned. Permanently suspended and deleted.

The distinction is that one will still show up (but can't be used), and the other is completely gone. I deleted my twitter account; it's not there anymore, and there's no public-facing trace that it ever was. This is what is necessary to be true if an account no longer exists, but neither Bluesky nor Twitter deletes user accounts without the user requesting it.

So something doesn't add up, and I'm not the one refusing to believe things that threaten my worldview.
 
I didn't say anything had been deleted, I said they had been banned. Permanently suspended = banned as far as I'm concerned. What happens to the account precisely when that has been done, I don't know.

You seem to know a great deal about the minutiae of how BlueSky operates. Are you sure you're right about it all? Or maybe I'll just refuse to believe you anyway, it seems to be how things are done around here.
 
Rolfe said:
I didn't say anything had been deleted, I said they had been banned.
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He claimed it had been deleted.

You seem to know a great deal about the minutiae of how BlueSky operates. Are you sure you're right about it all?
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About as sure as I care to be.

Or maybe I'll just refuse to believe you anyway, it seems to be how things are done around here.
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Again, you're the only one refusing to believe things here.
 
Well, perhaps the fine detail of how BlueSky operates and the terminology it uses are as big a mystery to him as they are to me. He certainly knows that his Twitter account wasn't deleted during the years he was banned, before Musk re-instated it, as all the posts were still there.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1857937125414469700
 
Rolfe said:
Well, perhaps the fine detail of how BlueSky operates and the terminology it uses are as big a mystery to him as they are to me. He certainly knows that his Twitter account wasn't deleted during the years he was banned, before Musk re-instated it, as all the posts were still there.
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It's not just a matter of terminology. If the account had not been deleted, it would still be visible.

As for Bluesky existing as a source of entertainment for Twitter...I suppose it might, for as long as Twitter lasts given its unserviceable debts and dwindling user base.
 
We've been here before. I remember when it was Mastodon everyone was decamping to. Then it was Threads. The pissed-off women headed for something called Spinster at one point, which was certainly a dumpster fire. At one point people were posting goodbye messages on Twitter, and saying where they could be found, because they thought the platform would inevitably collapse after Musk fired a bunch of people. Didn't happen.

If BlueSky can sustain itself as an echo chamber that only allows one point of view (and allows that to be expressed viciously and hatefully) while ejecting everyone who expresses a contrary point of view, good luck to it. (Actually, that was what was wrong with Spinster. I lasted less than five minutes.)
 
Rolfe said:
We've been here before. I remember when it was Mastodon everyone was decamping to. Then it was Threads. The pissed-off women headed for something called Spinster at one point, which was certainly a dumpster fire. At one point people were posting goodbye messages on Twitter, and saying where they could be found, because they thought the platform would inevitably collapse after Musk fired a bunch of people. Didn't happen.
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It's going to happen, eventually. Twitter is likely carrying more in debt than the company is currently worth. Advertisers have not returned...they plan to spend less next year. The subscription service brings in very little money. The underwriting banks are angry. It's unsustainable. The election interference will only exacerbate that problem. I think they lost half a million users on election day.

If BlueSky can sustain itself as an echo chamber that only allows one point of view (and allows that to be expressed viciously and hatefully) while ejecting everyone who expresses a contrary point of view, good luck to it. (Actually, that was what was wrong with Spinster. I lasted less than five minutes.)
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As far as I can tell, there are multiple points of view on Bluesky (I don't use it). I have no trouble finding multiple perspectives on most topics. They're certainly outnumbered by left/liberal perspectives.

It's probably not the place to go for "gender critical" views, but that was also true of Twitter back when it was occasionally profitable. No big deal from a sustainability point of view.

Whether or not Bluesky survives probably has more to do with whether they can find a revenue stream. That will likely be just as challenging as it was for Twitter. Probably more so, since it seems like they're trying to avoid advertising. But they've got a few years of venture capital funding still ahead of them.
 
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Rolfe said:
We've been here before. I remember when it was Mastodon everyone was decamping to. Then it was Threads. The pissed-off women headed for something called Spinster at one point, which was certainly a dumpster fire. At one point people were posting goodbye messages on Twitter, and saying where they could be found, because they thought the platform would inevitably collapse after Musk fired a bunch of people. Didn't happen.

If BlueSky can sustain itself as an echo chamber that only allows one point of view (and allows that to be expressed viciously and hatefully) while ejecting everyone who expresses a contrary point of view, good luck to it. (Actually, that was what was wrong with Spinster. I lasted less than five minutes.)
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If you don't like it, don't use it. Go start your own. As I previously suggested, you can even start one that is entirely about trans, trans, trans, trans, 100% 24/7. I'm sure it'll be hugely popular, and you can use it instead of complaining about the ones you don't want to use.
 
Rolfe said:
I just block these on sight. Apart from one, which was a young academic with a novel take on early Shakespeare. I followed him and ended up reading not just his blog but his PhD thesis.
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Is there a link to that Rolfe?
This is why X is brilliant, everything is there somewhere.
I voted to post iin comments, so I think that means here.
I think people who leave X will return and post on X.
Let us see.
It is the Imane Khelif litmus test.
Where did you find he was a man?
NYT and WAPO have never confessed but DJT posted immediately on X he was a man.
 
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mumblethrax said:
It's going to happen, eventually. Twitter is likely carrying more in debt than the company is currently worth. Advertisers have not returned...they plan to spend less next year. The subscription service brings in very little money. The underwriting banks are angry. It's unsustainable. The election interference will only exacerbate that problem. I think they lost half a million users on election day.


As far as I can tell, there are multiple points of view on Bluesky (I don't use it). I have no trouble finding multiple perspectives on most topics. They're certainly outnumbered by left/liberal perspectives.
It's probably not the place to go for "gender critical" views, but that was also true of Twitter back when it was occasionally profitable . No big deal from a sustainability point of view.

Whether or not Bluesky survives probably has more to do with whether they can find a revenue stream. That will likely be just as challenging as it was for Twitter. Probably more so, since it seems like they're trying to avoid advertising. But they've got a few years of venture capital funding still ahead of them.
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To be fair that's kind of the expected result when hate tries to muscle its way onto a public forum.
 
Rolfe said:
If BlueSky can sustain itself as an echo chamber that only allows one point of view (and allows that to be expressed viciously and hatefully) while ejecting everyone who expresses a contrary point of view, good luck to it. (Actually, that was what was wrong with Spinster. I lasted less than five minutes.)
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it likely can, and i think the source of the confusion is that a social media needs to be some kind of free speech anything goes battleground to be successful is the problem. since the beginning of the internet those kinds of no moderation sites have been underground and niche, and the only site doing that has lost tens of billions of value. an advertiser friendly platform is likely to do a lot better financially. idk why you think that's to it's detriment, the evidence suggests the type of site you think bluesky needs to be to be successful requires a billionaire who doesn't mind losing tens of billions of dollars to operate that way
 
Samson said:
Is there a link to that Rolfe?
This is why X is brilliant, everything is there somewhere.
I voted to post iin comments, so I think that means here.
I think people who leave X will return and post on X.
Let us see.
It is the Imane Khelif litmus test.
Where did you find he was a man?
NYT and WAPO have never confessed but DJT posted immediately on X he was a man.
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I expect I can find it (the Shakespeare blog, I mean), remind me if I forget.

I've no intention of going anywhere near BlueSky. Twitter is OK at the moment. Nothing lasts forever but I'll be quite surprised if BlueSky turns out to be the next big thing.
 
The difference between Mastadon and Threads compared to Bluesky is that they didn't get to a critical mass of users.
I tried both and couldn't get on with either of them. Most of the people I regularly interact with stayed on X.

With Bluesky I have found most of my 'friends' have started active accounts and quite a few have quit X altogether.

Plus, it's look and feel are the same which is a bonus
 
Rolfe said:
I've no intention of going anywhere near BlueSky. Twitter is OK at the moment. Nothing lasts forever but I'll be quite surprised if BlueSky turns out to be the next big thing.
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Sure, but that’s because you’re not paying the slightest bit of attention to what people actually want out of Twitter-likes.
 
mumblethrax said:
As for Bluesky existing as a source of entertainment for Twitter...I suppose it might, for as long as Twitter lasts given its unserviceable debts and dwindling user base.
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It might work as a source of entertainment but it's pretty hard to compete with the likes of TikTok where you can actually watch people having unhinged meltdowns, All convinently curated for your enjoyment on "hate sites" like Libs of Tiktok.

Speaking of hate

Let's try an experiment an see how long this hate post lasts on Bluesky. I know they're currently overwhelmed, but you think they'd prioritize stochastic terroristic calls for mass murder.

Mark, Kitty Cuddler (@vogonpoetry.live)

Im not saying anybody should but you could solve a lot of issues by chaining the doors of Madison Square Garden shut and setting it on fire tonight.
publictest.bsky.cz publictest.bsky.cz
 

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i think most of the people who left twitter for bluesky were not having these really great and enlightening exchanges of thoughts on the free market ideas. you finally got the website moderated the way you wanted and all the leftists you hated left, now i'd assume all the enlightened and thoughtful exchanges can finally begin. but for some reason they have to follow them to bluesky and read and whine about what they're writing there instead.
 
dirtywick said:
i think most of the people who left twitter for bluesky were not having these really great and enlightening exchanges of thoughts on the free market ideas. you finally got the website moderated the way you wanted and all the leftists you hated left, now i'd assume all the enlightened and thoughtful exchanges can finally begin. but for some reason they have to follow them to bluesky and read and whine about what they're writing there instead.
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Where do you go for really great and enlightening exchanges of thoughts on free market ideas?
 
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