Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
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Common arguments that I have been hit with:
1 Operation Northwoods. If this comes up, point out that it did not call for killing anyone; in fact it mentions violence "even to the point of injury".
2. Small hole at the Pentagon. This is because the Deniers usually point to a photo taken while the fire trucks were spraying foam and obscuring the large hole on the first floor. Point out that a) foam is being sprayed because that's what you use on a kerosene (jet fuel) fire and b) that photos do exist that show the extent of the actual hole. Click on that to see it full size--pretty dramatic compared to the photos the Deniers highlight.
3. No autopsies of the hijackers. A common canard. In fact, the autopsies of all the passengers on the planes are necessarily brief because there are only body parts to go by. Point out that scientists were able to tie the DNA of many of the hijackers (especially those on Flights 77 and 93) to hair and other detritus left behind in the hotels where they stayed the night before. Many of the hijackers shaved their entire bodies so there was plenty of hair to go by.
4. Collapse of the WTC towers. I suggest pushing the host to explain why this is controlled demolition, since every other controlled demolition you can point to started from the bottom. Did they collapse into their own footprints (as is commonly claimed)? Point out that dozens of buildings in the area were moderately to severely damaged including buildings as far away as World Financial Center 3, which was over 500 feet away.
5. WTC 7. Obviously Gravy's analysis (see his sig) is extraordinary, but it's also a little longish for quick reference. I have a pretty concise post on WTC 7 here. Some key points:
a. The building was constructed atop an electrical substation
b. The firemen knew hours before it collapsed that it was coming down
c. The building contained huge diesel fuel tanks to power emergency generators in the event of a power failure. These fuel tanks were likely pumping fuel into the building at a very rapid pace when the power went out after the collapse of the South Tower.
6. Watch for errors on the host's part. Remember 767s into the towers, 757s at the Pentagon and Shanksville. Remember Tower 1 (North Tower) was hit by Flight 11 and collapsed second, Tower 2 (South Tower) was hit by Flight 175 and collapsed first--because it was supporting more weight above the damaged area.
Aside from that, remember to play offense as well as defense. If you can get the host to explain what he thinks happened and pester him on weak points in those arguments, you'll find life a lot easier than if you have to defend the OS and he's always on the attack.
1 Operation Northwoods. If this comes up, point out that it did not call for killing anyone; in fact it mentions violence "even to the point of injury".
2. Small hole at the Pentagon. This is because the Deniers usually point to a photo taken while the fire trucks were spraying foam and obscuring the large hole on the first floor. Point out that a) foam is being sprayed because that's what you use on a kerosene (jet fuel) fire and b) that photos do exist that show the extent of the actual hole. Click on that to see it full size--pretty dramatic compared to the photos the Deniers highlight.
3. No autopsies of the hijackers. A common canard. In fact, the autopsies of all the passengers on the planes are necessarily brief because there are only body parts to go by. Point out that scientists were able to tie the DNA of many of the hijackers (especially those on Flights 77 and 93) to hair and other detritus left behind in the hotels where they stayed the night before. Many of the hijackers shaved their entire bodies so there was plenty of hair to go by.
4. Collapse of the WTC towers. I suggest pushing the host to explain why this is controlled demolition, since every other controlled demolition you can point to started from the bottom. Did they collapse into their own footprints (as is commonly claimed)? Point out that dozens of buildings in the area were moderately to severely damaged including buildings as far away as World Financial Center 3, which was over 500 feet away.
5. WTC 7. Obviously Gravy's analysis (see his sig) is extraordinary, but it's also a little longish for quick reference. I have a pretty concise post on WTC 7 here. Some key points:
a. The building was constructed atop an electrical substation
b. The firemen knew hours before it collapsed that it was coming down
c. The building contained huge diesel fuel tanks to power emergency generators in the event of a power failure. These fuel tanks were likely pumping fuel into the building at a very rapid pace when the power went out after the collapse of the South Tower.
6. Watch for errors on the host's part. Remember 767s into the towers, 757s at the Pentagon and Shanksville. Remember Tower 1 (North Tower) was hit by Flight 11 and collapsed second, Tower 2 (South Tower) was hit by Flight 175 and collapsed first--because it was supporting more weight above the damaged area.
Aside from that, remember to play offense as well as defense. If you can get the host to explain what he thinks happened and pester him on weak points in those arguments, you'll find life a lot easier than if you have to defend the OS and he's always on the attack.
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