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Republicans want Obama appointee fired because he's gay

WildCat said:
I couldn't care less about Jenning's "homosexual agenda", but Jumpin' Jesus, do we need a Czar for every social ill?
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It's cheaper than actualy trying to do something about them.
 
Darth Rotor said:
It seems politically foolish to me to put the gay thing up front, or even at all.

The later complaint about drugs and alcohol abuse might have been a more acceptable objection to this appointment. From the OP citation:

Why wasn't THIS the prime point of objection?
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Because even in conservative circles going after people for their youthful drug use is likely to have only limited effect.
 
oldhat said:
So if you ignore the fact that there was no statutory rape, it still stands that Jennings should have done something about the statutory rape.
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No. The age difference may be well into the realm of statutory rape, as I've earlier indicated. Also, you have a student coming to confide a sexual involvement with a older adult; that too raises a red flag of concern. Either one would make me take the issue up with supervisors, and in this case we have both.

Which didn't exist in the first place and he didn't commit. And should e fired.
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Sorry ... doesn't wash in this case.
 
Pardalis said:
But if he doesn't show any remorse or indication that his drug use was bad for him, then I would agree he might not be the one for the job.
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You mean you find honestly disturbing? Many people make use of both legal and illegal drugs in their youth and show little real regret or damage. Even more restrained people are unlikely to get though university without one story of alcohol abuse that they don't regret.

And if this is the reason some of the signatories agreed to sign, then this doesn't make them homophobes.
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Since there is nothing to stop you putting together a non homophobic document if that is the case you claim is questionable.
 
Just thinking said:
No. The age difference may be well into the realm of statutory rape, as I've earlier indicated.
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The age of consent in Massachusetts is 16.
Just thinking said:
Also, you have a student coming to confide a sexual involvement with a older adult; that too raises a red flag of concern. Either one would make me take the issue up with supervisors, and in this case we have both.
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Why should teachers regulate students' sexual life? What two consenting adults do is nobody's business.
 
Phrost said:
Wait, the OP even bolded the fact that they're specifically accusing this guy of pushing an agenda of homosexual-specific education in public schools, not "being gay".

Sure, this is probably rooted in bigotry. But if someone's actually pushing for separate schools for gay kids, there's a legitimate discussion to be had; one that shouldn't be derailed by wheeling out the "bigot" card.
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The "Bigot/homophobe" card is being used by the left with same consideration for truth that the term "Commie/Red" was used by the right during the McCarthy era. To be accused is to be automatically guilty.
 
Just thinking said:
Maybe the link didn't post the age of the adult ... or did I miss that one?
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Are you aware of a law that has the age differential you mention for the state in question? If not, you are grasping at straws.

ETA: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/2003-r-0149.htm
Has some info on some states and the age difference you refer to seems to be in place to protect 15 year olds from being prosecuted for having sex with 15 year olds (for example). In other words, the age difference concerns whether both are under or just over the age of consent and their age difference. Or should a 17 year old be charged with statutory rape when she has sex with a 15 year old? Some states say no.
 
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Peephole said:
Why should teachers regulate students' sexual life? What two consenting adults do is nobody's business.
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When a student comes to confide to another teacher a sexual involvement with another adult, it no longer is just the two consenting individuals' privacy. The second error you make is in categorizing both as adults.
 
Lurker said:
Are you aware of a law that has the age differential you mention for the state in question? If not, you are grasping at straws.
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Here's the actual Mass. law ...
Child Under Eighteen
MGL c.272, s. 4. Inducing person under 18 to have sexual intercourse.

Whoever induces any person under 18 years of age of chaste life to have unlawful sexual intercourse shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than three years or in a jail or house of correction for not more than two and one-half years or by a fine of not more than $1,000 or by both such fine and imprisonment.

Analogous to Federal laws 18 USC 2422 and 18 USC 2423 .
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Since this differs from Romeo & Juliet involvement, age becomes crucial.
 
We've already provided proof the man in question was 16.

Prove us wrong or shut up.
 
dudalb said:
The "Bigot/homophobe" card is being used by the left with same consideration for truth that the term "Commie/Red" was used by the right during the McCarthy era. To be accused is to be automatically guilty.
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So, wanting people to get fired from their jobs because they're gay isn't homophobic?
 
MGL c.272, s. 4. Inducing person under 18 to have sexual intercourse.

Whoever induces any person under 18 years of age of chaste life to have unlawful sexual intercourse shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than three years or in a jail or house of correction for not more than two and one-half years or by a fine of not more than $1,000 or by both such fine and imprisonment.

Analogous to Federal laws 18 USC 2422 and 18 USC 2423 .

We could find only one case prosecuted under this law, Commonwealth v. Foley, 24 Mass. App. Ct. 114 (1987). in which a man offered a boy $5 to perform fellatio.
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I was wondering why you had come up with 18 while everyone else was saying 16 for age of consent. You will note that the law you cite seems archaic. How does one judge whether one is "chaste" for example? Evidence to support this the fact that nobody is prosecuted for this and the law preceding this one in the link you provided details the age of consent as 16, as I had claimed. Interesting.
 
Just thinking said:
Yes ... but there's more than just his age, as i keep alluding to.
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Allude all you like but don't you think it is your responsibility to cite the age differential law that you were supposing might exist? I don't mean to be snarky but maybe there was a law against men who might later be involved in Federal govt from providing sex advice? Can anyone respond to that? Ha, got ya there!
 
This is the relevant law:

Whoever unlawfully has sexual intercourse or unnatural sexual intercourse, and abuses a child under 16 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for life or for any term of years or, except as otherwise provided, for any term in a jail or house of correction. A prosecution commenced under this section shall neither be continued without a finding nor placed on file.

http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/subject/about/sex.html
 
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