Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel Disses Bush

[shemp]

Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel Disses Bush

The criticism by Mr. Levin and other Democrats was not surprising. But some Republicans were beginning to join in it today, with Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska complaining that the administration had done "a miserable job of planning the post-Saddam Iraq."

"They treated many in the Congress, most of the Congress, like a nuisance," Mr. Hagel said in an interview on the CBS "Early Show" this morning. Mr. Hagel is not a member of the Armed Services Committee.

 

[Crossbow]

I cannot say that I am surprised because the last time Wolfowitz showed up to talk about Iraq (March, 2003) he said that there oil revenue would be enough to finance the costs of reconstruction.

Now, they are finding out something completely different.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

wow, it must be election time or something.

everyone's starting to jump on their party wagons.

shimp !

 

[Sundog]

wow, it must be election time or something.

everyone's starting to jump on their party wagons.

shimp !

Ya lost me. How is a Republican griping about Bush a sign of this?

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Ya lost me. How is a Republican griping about Bush a sign of this?

Im talking about shimp.

he's suddenly become politically active with his clicker finger.

and he's using the NYTimes as a source. So either he's joking or he doesnt know its a joke.

 

[Sundog]

Im talking about shimp.

he's suddenly become politically active with his clicker finger.

and he's using the NYTimes as a source. So either he's joking or he doesnt know its a joke.

Oh. But come on now, you know they didn't make this up.

Assuming it's true, what do you think?

 

[hgc]

Oh. But come on now, you know they didn't make this up.

Assuming it's true, what do you think?

This thread is about Hagel. NTW wants to talk about Shemp, NYT or anything else. Is it a comprehension problem, or a distate for honest debate?

 

[Sundog]

This thread is about Hagel. NTW wants to talk about Shemp, NYT or anything else. Is it a comprehension problem, or a distate for honest debate?

I think he's understandably reluctant to knock a fellow Republican, but this is a case where a binary thinker has a problem - either one person or the other must be evil. I suppose this will simply be proof that Hagel isn't a "loyal Republican".

No offense Nie but you DO tend to think in terms of either/or.

 

[hgc]

Hagel has been one of my favorite Republican senators, along with Lugar, Snowe, Jeffords (oops, nevermind that one) and Collins. There NTW, that should be ammo enough for you to go after Hagel as an undesirable.

 

[Tmy]

I have great respect for polticians who question party leadership. They are under no obligation to fall under party lines. Theres a name for people who go along in order to benefit the greater whole. COMMUNISTS!!! Our Congress is filled wh a bunch of commie puppets who do as they are told, even if its somthing they dont believe in. The 2 party system is an affront to democracy.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

This thread is about Hagel. NTW wants to talk about Shemp, NYT or anything else. Is it a comprehension problem, or a distate for honest debate?

wrong. that's YOUR tactic, not mine.

now........back to the thread please

Oh. But come on now, you know they didn't make this up.

I didnt say they "made it up". The NYTimes is an extreme liberal news source. If you read it with no sense of its thick bias, you're a moron or a con artist.

Assuming it's true, what do you think?

unlike democrats and most "liberals", republicans and conservative usually have the ability to disagree with one another in public instead of running a scripted performance of groupthink.


I think the reformation of Iraq for Iraqis is going to take time, much debate, and more strength against all those who dont want peace and would rather play out their extremist and political fantasies.

he's intitled to say what he wants, but that doesnt mean his perspective isnt flawed.

 

[Sundog]

unlike democrats and most "liberals", republicans and conservative usually have the ability to disagree with one another in public instead of running a scripted performance of groupthink.


I think the reformation of Iraq for Iraqis is going to take time, much debate, and more strength against all those who dont want peace and would rather play out their extremist and political fantasies.

he's intitled to say what he wants, but that doesnt mean his perspective isnt flawed.

Fair enough.

If you see any sort of unity among the Democrats, though, please alert the media - that will be a first!

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Hagel has been one of my favorite Republican senators, along with Lugar, Snowe, Jeffords (oops, nevermind that one) and Collins. There NTW, that should be ammo enough for you to go after Hagel as an undesirable.

you deal in terms of groupthink, because youre a lefty and thats what you do.

His criticism can either be used to strengthen the situation and alleviate the problem or it can be devoured by the liberal vultures and repeated ad nausem in the press for their stupid games.

 

[shemp]

Im talking about shimp.

he's suddenly become politically active with his clicker finger.

and he's using the NYTimes as a source. So either he's joking or he doesnt know its a joke.

Did you even bother to follow the link and scroll down a bit? Or are you too stupid?

I guess the NY Times isn't a comprehensible source for you. Maybe I can find a children's website that has the report. Something on the kindergarten level perhaps.

The only thing in this thread that's a joke is you.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Did you even bother to follow the link and scroll down a bit? Or are you too stupid?

I guess the NY Times isn't a comprehensible source for you. Maybe I can find a children's website that has the report. Something on the kindergarten level perhaps.

The only thing in this thread that's a joke is you.

aww .......... shimp.

 

[Crossbow]

Im talking about shimp.

he's suddenly become politically active with his clicker finger.

and he's using the NYTimes as a source. So either he's joking or he doesnt know its a joke.

ER, NTW do you have any idea of how Federal Budget Appropriations are done?

If not, I will attempt to give you a brief outline of the process. Note: for those who are familiar with this process then you may want to skip the two below paragraphs and go straight to paragraph six.

Now then, the president (no matter who he is) cannot simply go on TV and say that he wants money for this, that, and the other, then expect to have a check in hand by the end of the next business day.

Instead, the congress has to approve the funds before such a check is written. And since congressional approval is needed, that means that the president has to send his representatives and experts to congress in order to meet with the people who have the power to vote 'yes' or 'no' on the funding issue in order to answer any questions they may have, assuage their concerns, and persuade them to vote in the affirmative.

So, unless the hearings involve classified material (and at present, this one does not) then they are open to the public and everything said there is a public matter (an official transcript will be placed into the record). Thus, it does not really matter which news source is providing the quotes because all of the quotes will contain the exact same data since it all comes from the exact same source.

I hope that is clear now!

 

[DrChinese]

I cannot say that I am surprised because the last time Wolfowitz showed up to talk about Iraq (March, 2003) he said that there oil revenue would be enough to finance the costs of reconstruction.

Now, they are finding out something completely different.

Oil revenue??? More like "oil theft".

Can you believe that Bush actually sold Congress on taking the oil of the country they conquered and using it to offset the cost of the invasion? And then, they miscalculated the take from their theft and it is still going to cost them big bucks!!!

No, I'm so glad Bush isn't flying by the seat of his pants on Iraq. What a clown! By comparison, NTW is looking better every day!

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

ER, NTW do you have any idea of how Federal Budget Appropriations are done?

If not, I will attempt to give you a brief outline of the process. Note: for those who are familiar with this process then you may want to skip the two below paragraphs and go straight to paragraph six.

Now then, the president (no matter who he is) cannot simply go on TV and say that he wants money for this, that, and the other, then expect to have a check in hand by the end of the next business day.

Instead, the congress has to approve the funds before such a check is written. And since congressional approval is needed, that means that the president has to send his representatives and experts to congress in order to meet with the people who have the power to vote 'yes' or 'no' on the funding issue in order to answer any questions they may have, assuage their concerns, and persuade them to vote in the affirmative.

So, unless the hearings involve classified material (and at present, this one does not) then they are open to the public and everything said there is a public matter (an official transcript will be placed into the record). Thus, it does not really matter which news source is providing the quotes because all of the quotes will contain the exact same data since it all comes from the exact same source.

I hope that is clear now!

I may be wrong, but are you not leaving out the detail that he asked the international community for support ?

 

[shemp]

I may be wrong, but are you not leaving out the detail that he asked the international community for support ?

Here's some of that "international support":

Brushed Off by the World, Bush Calls India for Help

From Asia to Europe to Africa, President Bush's televised appeal Sunday night for international help in rebuilding Iraq drew as much scorn as sympathy in the online media. Only a response in India offers encouragement to an administration scrambling to regain its war footing.

US admits failure in Iraq

US President George W. Bush was set Sunday to announce a shift on Iraq policy calling in greater UN help as his Defence Secretary admitted the failure to wipe out Saddam loyalists may have sparked the security nightmare.

Hoon commits 1200 troops as Bush plea falls on deaf ears

THE appeal by George W Bush for more nations to help shoulder the burden and expense of rebuilding Iraq drew an embarrassingly muted response across the globe yesterday.

By the way, NTW, that's Geoff Hoon, not Shannon Hoon.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Here's some of that "international support":

Brushed Off by the World, Bush Calls India for Help

US admits failure in Iraq

Hoon commits 1200 troops as Bush plea falls on deaf ears

By the way, NTW, that's Geoff Hoon, not Shannon Hoon.

just like it was before the war, it seems we only see the negative responses from other countries in the media. It would be interesting to see who is actually supporting us and how. (Poland for example)