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Republican Party Changes

thaiboxerken said:
I hope so! What I think is that they want someone that is about as extreme in policy, but not in words. Trump's problem is that he doesn't know how to use the dog-whistle. They will find someone less abrasive but just as dangerous.
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The problem is that the abrasive rallies the core and will win primaries.

The Republicans have situated their party so that they simply can't nominate a viable candidate. If they had nominated Kasich, we'd be talking about Hillary going off into the sunset.

A fiscally conservative, socially liberal-leaning with a real health care plan party could dominate this country for years. If a bunch of existing politicians from both parties got together and formed such a new party, they'd be in control within two election cycles. It would marginalize the far right and the far left to secondary parties. While the thought of a single party dominating is a bit scary, the age of each party having a conservative and liberal wing are long gone.
 
Spindrift said:
The problem is that the abrasive rallies the core and will win primaries.

The Republicans have situated their party so that they simply can't nominate a viable candidate. If they had nominated Kasich, we'd be talking about Hillary going off into the sunset.

A fiscally conservative, socially liberal-leaning with a real health care plan party could dominate this country for years. If a bunch of existing politicians from both parties got together and formed such a new party, they'd be in control within two election cycles. It would marginalize the far right and the far left to secondary parties. While the thought of a single party dominating is a bit scary, the age of each party having a conservative and liberal wing are long gone.
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Isn't Hillary the first two and isn't the major hurdle to the third the complete intransigence of the GOP ?

If such a pitiful halfway house as Romney/Obama care runs into such headwinds with both the GOP and the U.S. public then what chance would a "proper" single payer system have ? IMO the fundamental problem w.r.t. healthcare in the U.S. is that the public's demand for affordable healthcare and insurance for themselves is at odds with their insistence that they shouldn't have to "subsidise" others' access to the same thing. :(
 
The Don said:
Isn't Hillary the first two and isn't the major hurdle to the third the complete intransigence of the GOP ?

If such a pitiful halfway house as Romney/Obama care runs into such headwinds with both the GOP and the U.S. public then what chance would a "proper" single payer system have ? IMO the fundamental problem w.r.t. healthcare in the U.S. is that the public's demand for affordable healthcare and insurance for themselves is at odds with their insistence that they shouldn't have to "subsidise" others' access to the same thing. :(
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Hillary is one person even if she is the president. I'm suggesting a NEW party that could take control and enact such things.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I would argue that gerrymandering is exactly what put the GOP in this mess: candidates with no need for support from the leadership and a voting block that is more and more unlike the demographic of the population at large.

If the GOP wants to reform it needs to have independent commissions redistrict their states - it's the only way to marginalize the influence of the Alt-right.
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Same thing happens when the Democrats gerrymander. It's a poisoned chalice they create for themselves.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
There are very good reasons why the GOP leadership can consider Trump an outliner:

Democrats started with an incredible handicap: 8 years of a strongly polarizing president, followed by a candidate with a lot of baggage: it is incredibly rare in US politics for a party to hold the White House for more than 8 years, even more so for Democrats. And most voters, after having elected a member of one disenfranchised group (and thus ended racial discrimination forever, right?) are in no hurry to break another glass ceiling by electing a women...
The GOP had every right to believe that this year their candidate would win.

If in 4 years they manage to present a clear favourite to their constituents they will probably get the vote, unless Clinton turns out to be doing a great job (what are the chances of the Republicans letting her do that?)
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I'm really thinking that the Republican Party will not do any real soul searching even if they lose the senate. Instead, they will blame it (at least internally if not publicly) on Trump's incompetence.

In the short term, the Republicans can win in many areas but the long term demographics are against them unless they can convince the majority of latinos that they are on their side. The Know Nothing faction within their party will continue to alienate Latinos who might otherwise be more supportive of fiscally and socially conservative ideals.
 
The GOP must do something about the conservative media industrial complex if it wants to survive

"Here's the thing: Trump didn't come out of nowhere now," Obama said Thursday. "For years, Republican politicians and far-right media outlets have been pumping out all kinds of toxic, crazy stuff."

Obama went through a litany of conspiracy theories that have been pervasive throughout his presidency. The movement doubting his birthplace. Fears he wanted to "steal everybody's guns." The idea he wanted to "declare martial law."

"I say all this," the president said, "because Donald Trump didn't start all this. Like he usually does, he just slapped his name on it, took credit for it, and promoted the heck out of it."

The president had a point. Trump's rise was no accident; rather, it was a natural outgrowth of a growing and influential faction of conservative media that for years fed the Republican base a steady diet of fringe theories masqueraded as news.

And Republicans allowed it to happen, as Obama noted.
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Already talk that the GOP will take hard look at the wisdom of having so many 'Winner Take All" primaries;one of the main reason they had them was to keep the more unelectable wingnuts from getting the nomination;it backfired badly. Trump would have had a much harder road to the nomination if the delegates had been more evenly distributed.
One thing is sure;Rance Pribus is toast. His term as RNC chariman expires in January and he will be strongly enoouraged not to run for relection.If he does, he will lose badly. He is already being blamed for allowing Trump to get the nomination, and is being privately ripped for still refusing to be a realist, write off Trump,defund him,and concentrate on trying to save the GOP polition in Congress. Possibly the worst chairman either party has ever had.
 
They seem to be finding out that being a coalition based around white nationalism is somewhat self limiting.
 
Spindrift said:
A fiscally conservative, socially liberal-leaning with a real health care plan party could dominate this country for years. If a bunch of existing politicians from both parties got together and formed such a new party, they'd be in control within two election cycles. It would marginalize the far right and the far left to secondary parties. While the thought of a single party dominating is a bit scary, the age of each party having a conservative and liberal wing are long gone.
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I'm shocked to discover the US has a far left.
 
Given that lots of republicans (not all by a very long shot, but a pretty good chunk) seem to blame liberal media bias, voter fraud and a back stab by party elites for Trump's pending loss, I think a large portion of the party will want to double-down and start pushing Trump-like candidates (Trumplings?) in Congressional and state races. If they don't blame their own message for the failure, they won't see any reason to change it.
 
Trebuchet said:
And now that I think about it, what the heck has happened to gay rights as in issue in this campaign? Two years ago, I'd have expected it to be number one.
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Trump does not care, hence his followers do not either. Besides, the only ones who really care any more are hard-core Evangelicals.
 
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