Republican/Conservative hypocricy & the Constitution

Donal said:
And is abortion the only right a woman has? How exactly is protecting an unborn child's life giving it more rights than the mother?

However, the gun control laws which keep guns out of the hands of people who can't afford the fees or fail to meet some other restriction (ie poor and minorities) and pretty much guarantee only rich white men can legally own guns .
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there are gun control restrictions preventing poor folks and minorities from owning guns?

only rich white men in NYC can legally own a gun?

wowowwo...i had no idea.

FYI, the hanggun license fee in NYC is $434.

a firearms license (rifles and shotguns) costs $234.

.....not exactly the kinda stuff only the rich & famous can afford.
 
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Donal said:
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Screw it, let's go with some liberal hypocrisy:

The Rockefeller Laws are wrong because they are de facto racist in that poor and minorities tend to be the ones sentenced under them. Rich white people aren't your typical crack user (Robert Downey Jr not withstanding) and they certainly aren't getting their fixes out in the streets, where the typical bust is made. (I actually agree with this a little)
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Of course the Rockefeller Laws were wrong, it's unfortunate that it took so long to finally have effective reform to finally get rid of minimum sentences and allow Judges to be Judges.

What I don't understand is Pataki, in his 12 years as a Governor never pushed to abolish the Rockefeller Laws. His Drug Law Reform Act wasn't enough, it did not restore power to the Judges. It finally took a Liberal to pass effective reform.


However, the gun control laws which keep guns out of the hands of people who can't afford the fees or fail to meet some other restriction (ie poor and minorities) and pretty much guarantee only rich white men can legally own guns aren't racist because... (Granted, I can only speak for NYC's gun control laws).
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Yep that is exactly it, liberals just keeping legal guns in rich white man's hands, except you missed the part that the strict NYC gun laws were passed by Giuliani. He is the one that pushed the city to SUE gun manufacturers!

Even though the majority of violent crimes don't happen on the Upper East Side or Tribecca, but rather in places like Bed-Stuy or the South Bronx.
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Are you sure about that? I am sure you are well aware of when the crack epidemic that was plaguing the city and the rise in violence not just in Bed-Stuy or in Hunts Point, but across the city. This was when the strict gun control laws were passed.

If you are speaking currently about crimes in the city, I wouldn't be relying on Compstat reports. Recently it has been published that precincts have been fudging numbers and downgrading major crimes.
 
I am curious how $234 for a gun license is something only rich white men can afford.

there are two possibilities here:

#1. the suggestion is just silly.

#2. he believes that ALL minorities (including Asians) in NYC are dirt poor.
 
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Thunder said:
I am curious how $234 for a gun license is something only rich white men can afford.

there are two possibilities here:

#1. the suggestion is just silly.

#2. he believes that ALL minorities (including Asians) in NYC are dirt poor.
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You really don't think you can just go in and pay the fee and get a license, do you?

How much does the legal firm cost that you are going to have to hire?
 
The Painter said:
You really don't think you can just go in and pay the fee and get a license, do you?

How much does the legal firm cost that you are going to have to hire?
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no. you hand over your application. then they do a little background check to make sure you are not a felon.

if all checks out, you then come in to get fingerprinted, and you get your license to purchase firearms.

why is this a problem?

would you prefer we do NO background check and possibly sell guns to convicted felons?
 
The Painter said:
You really don't think you can just go in and pay the fee and get a license, do you?
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Actually, yes I do and yes I have. I just got a premises only license. Yes it was a bit of a hassle, but I didn't mind. I had to hand in a typed notorized application plus my ID, photographs, and birth certificate. Then get my fingerprints taken and pay the fees for an application and fingerprints.


How much does the legal firm cost that you are going to have to hire?
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No lawyer involved. Only those who have a criminal history usually have to hire a lawyer because the NYPD denied their application
 
i have two co-workers with NYC firearms licenses & pistol lincenses.

one guy owns a whole host of handguns and rifles, including an AR-15..which I got to play with at his house in Bay Ridge.

neither of them make more than $75,000 a year. One of them makes less than 60k.

....but both of them are WHITE!!!!!!!

;)

oh, and btw. I filed an application with the NYPD for Special Patrolmen/Peace Officer status a few years ago.

they fingerprinted me on the spot using their handy dandy scanner thingy.

background check was done in about 4 weeks. and then I had the official power to arrest people.

I'm sure the firearm permit process is quicker.
 
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Thunder said:
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oh, and btw. I filed an application with the NYPD for Special Patrolmen/Peace Officer status a few years ago.

they fingerprinted me on the spot using their handy dandy scanner thingy.

background check was done in about 4 weeks. and then I had the official power to arrest people.

I'm sure the firearm permit process is quicker.
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Are you an auxiliary? or were applying for a civil service test?
 
Thunder said:
Ok, so we now have a GREAT example of Conservative and GOPer hypocricy when it comes to the Constitution.

-and drugs. GOPers/Conservatives abandon their libertarianism when it comes to drugs.

anything else?
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Are most liberals and democrats in favor of legalizing drugs?
 
Maybe they are. Of course that is only pot. Is it hypocritical to be against the legalization Cocaine? Opiates? Peyote and LSD?
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/jul/22/new_national_poll_finds_52_say_l


A national Angus-Reid poll released Wednesday has found majority support for legalizing marijuana, with 52% of respondents saying they wanted to free the weed. That figure includes 59% of independents and 57% of Democrats, but only 38% of Republicans.


I voted in favor of it back in 1972.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19
 
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The Painter said:
You really don't think you can just go in and pay the fee and get a license, do you?

How much does the legal firm cost that you are going to have to hire?
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um...huh?

hire a legal firm to get a firearms license?

where did you get this idea? this is NYC...not Weimar Germany.
 
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