Report released on Burger's theft

[Rob Lister]

Knowing who mr. burger is, or was, would cause me to be very, very, very careful before making accusations of any kind.

Despite the theory, whistle-blowers are not well favored. And the higher the official on which you tell, the more mud you get on you. They play hardball. I would want absolute, irrefutable proof before calling anyone.

 

[firecoins]

Knowing who mr. burger is, or was, would cause me to be very, very, very careful before making accusations of any kind.

Despite the theory, whistle-blowers are not well favored. And the higher the official on which you tell, the more mud you get on you. They play hardball. I would want absolute, irrefutable proof before calling anyone.

1. Berger has admitted to removing and destroying documents. We are not talking if documents were removed and destroyed but which ones. He removed documents possibly desired by the 9/11 commission. It would appear Berger was covering something up.

2. Berger is not a whistleblower. If Berger was, he would be whistleblowing on Clinton since that was who he had worked for. I certainly don't think Berger was doing that.

WHy did Berger do this? I don't know. What documents did he destroy? I don't know. Until we know the details, we don't know if it is relevant or not. I going to sound like "truther" here and say another investigation is needed but that would break Double Jeapordy.

 

[crackers]

I think Rob Lister was saying that the Archives employees were the whistle-blowers. If I were an Archives employee, I also would be VERY careful about making accusations that a former official was stealing documents. I would wait until I had evidence, rather than accusing him just on a hunch that something strange might be going on.

 

[Lurker]

I was under the impression that Berger was dealing with copies of documents. If so, what purpose in destroying them if other copies still exist?

Lurker

 

[Ziggurat]

Wait, I'm comfused... what was the Hamburgler doing with a security clearance in the first place? Didn't they know that was a bad idea?

Oh, you meant Berger, not burger. Sorry, my mistake. They do look like they could be related, though.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Berger was legally required to go to jail but was offered a sweet plea deal. I believe because the Bush administration didn't want to prosecute him.

Many corrupt politicians don't go to jail. Alan Hevisi, a NY Democratic politican, was caught using NY Sate funds for personal use. He pled guilty and his only requirement was he had to resign. This was a major story in the NY area. Jail time is not a measure of whether or not a corrut politician should be a big story or not.

Did Tom DeLay go to jail?

Hevisi was found to be useing a state employee for personal use not funds dirrectly.

Has his status with jail time been fully resolved? I know he was trying to argue that because he got reellected the criminal case should be stopped against him.

 

[firecoins]

Hevisi was found to be useing a state employee for personal use not funds dirrectly.

Has his status with jail time been fully resolved? I know he was trying to argue that because he got reellected the criminal case should be stopped against him.

He has resigned as apart of a plea deal that will keep him out of jail.

 

[firecoins]

I was under the impression that Berger was dealing with copies of documents. If so, what purpose in destroying them if other copies still exist?

Lurker

If they were copies!. Since Berger had access to originals, it is unknown if he just took copies. Since he destroyed the documents, copies or otherwise, we don't know what he was hiding. I suspect they contained notes on them that he wanted to prevent from being seen.

 

[firecoins]

Wait, I'm comfused... what was the Hamburgler doing with a security clearance in the first place? Didn't they know that was a bad idea?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Hamburglar.jpg

Oh, you meant Berger, not burger. Sorry, my mistake. They do look like they could be related, though.

It is major failure of the Bush adminstration being in bed with berger profiteers.

 

[firecoins]

I think Rob Lister was saying that the Archives employees were the whistle-blowers. If I were an Archives employee, I also would be VERY careful about making accusations that a former official was stealing documents. I would wait until I had evidence, rather than accusing him just on a hunch that something strange might be going on.

whoops! I realize that....now.

 

[davefoc]

Wow, I took what Rob Lister wrote to mean what firecoins took it to mean. Frankly, with my understanding of what I thought he was saying it seemed like RL was a little out of it.

Now that I read it again, I think I understand what he meant, and it seems rational. But as a result of my misunderstanding I decided to read a little bit more about Sandy Berger. This is actually the third time he's been in some mildly serious trouble.

It also seemed a little more credible to me that Berger was really just trying to get documents out to prepare better for his senate testimony. The destruction of the documents was ostensibly because once he got them out he didn't know how to get them back. OK, maybe I'm naive, but my guess right now is that Berger wasn't trying to destroy documents to hide the truth of anything. But nobody will ever know the truth for sure except Berger.

 

[Lurker]

If they were copies!. Since Berger had access to originals, it is unknown if he just took copies. Since he destroyed the documents, copies or otherwise, we don't know what he was hiding. I suspect they contained notes on them that he wanted to prevent from being seen.

Hmm, I am fairly certain the Archive staff themselves have said that Berger only had copies. The media speculated that there were handwritten notes but no evidence of such has come forth.

Lurker

 

[firecoins]

Hmm, I am fairly certain the Archive staff themselves have said that Berger only had copies. The media speculated that there were handwritten notes but no evidence of such has come forth.

Lurker

the government report's third paragraph:

The full extent of Berger's document removal is however is not known and never can be known.The Justice department can not be sure that Berger did not remove original documents for which there are no copies or inventory. On three of Berger's four visits he had access to.

 

[Lurker]

See how I get into trouble when I don't keep up to date on topics? Well, at least I can console myself with the fact I accept new data and assimilate it.

Lurker