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Whoa, this isn't my random guess. This appeared in peer-reviewed papers by ex-CERN physicists.
Is this another lie, or can you provide the references? In the past, you have only provided links to crank papers from non-peer reviewed sources. For example, you called this paper, http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204044 , a paper by an ex-CERN physicist, but it is clearly not peer reviewed.
 
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True. No net charge is created, just as no net angular momentum is created when I'm in space and I rotate a satellite and suffer a counter-rotation.

Continuing with the angular momentum analogy, I wouldn't say some "rotation separation" occurred when I rotated the satellite...

Does "rotation separation" result in some detectable “angular momentum” field? If not then your "rotation separation" “angular momentum analogy” is not analogues to charge separation and simply fails in that specific regard being referenced.


...but OK, I'll go with the flow.

OK, it's trivial. But there's a horrible issue lurking here, and it's a monster: which is more fundamental? The "current" that causes the field variation, or the "charge" that causes the field? ...this charge being a property of a particle which exhibits magnetic dipole moment where g=2.0023:

"..The factor of two difference implies that the electron appears to be twice as effective in producing a magnetic moment as the corresponding classical charged body...


As already noted an electron is not a “classical charged body” as demonstrated by that "factor of two difference".
 
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I think that The Man is slightly wrong. The electromagnetic wave (incoming photon) does not produce any charge separation (outgoing electron and positron). It is the imparting of momentum to the nearby nucleus that allows the photon to become a separate electron and positron and thus separate charges. Without a nucleus all you have is a virtual electron and positron pair.



A likely possibility that I’m always, more than slightly, willing to consider and agree with. However in virtual pair production the charge separation can not be maintained over any detectable distance (or period of time) and the pair must annihilate with each other or other virtual pairs leaving only the photon (no charge separation) detectable. So as you state the imparting of momentum to the nucleus (by the incoming photon) permits that charge separation to be maintained and thus the charged particles to be detected. Sorry if I didn’t make that distinction evident in my pervious post.
 
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Is this another lie, or can you provide the references? In the past, you have only provided links to crank papers from non-peer reviewed sources. For example, you called this paper, http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0204044 , a paper by an ex-CERN physicist, but it is clearly not peer reviewed.

How do you verify that he's an ex-CERN physicist? The three papers give no affiliation and use a Hotmail address.

(I would note that his papers have the classic crackpot profile. Three uploads, none published (i.e. peer-reviewed). All apparently written in Microsoft Word. One of these papers has one citation, and that's from another crackpot-profile preprint from an authentic "ground state" author ("only one upload, no citations ever")
 
It isn't simple, ct. I've described the electromagnetic field as a twist/turn field. I'm saying the electromagnetic field is only there because the 511keV photon is twisting and turning because it's a 3.86 x 10-13m displacement travelling entirely through itself. Photons usually travel in straight lines.

Please see the Path integral formulation or Sum over histories.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_integral_formulation


You will have to show how your “twisting and turning” path becomes the dominate (more probable or constructively reinforced) path as opposed to being canceled by an adjacent and similarly “twisting and turning” path that would be out of phase.

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http://www.quantumfieldtheory.info/Path_Integrals_in_Quantum_Theories.htm
 
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That does pose a yet another nasty problem for Farsight's idea:
Farsight:
  • What does your idea predict for the decay rate of an electron into a single photon?
  • What is the measured decay rate of an electron into a single photon?
  • What does this say about the conservation of charge?
FYI: Particle physics experiments have observed trillions of interactions. The results are extensively studied. Physicists are especially interested when particles "vanish", i.e. a charged particle is tracked to a point and then is no longer visible. This is a signature of a decay process, e.g. muon decay. Of course what they always see is that there are one or more charged particles resulting from the decay.
Huh? It predicts a decay rate of zero. Like the measured decay rate. And that says charge is conserved. I suppose the next nasty problem will be that "my model" doesn't predict the price of eggs.
 
Mashuna said:
In a bible verse competition, maybe.
No, in a physics competition.

Kwalish Kid said:
Can you demonstrate any of this with the proper mathematics?
No. Nobody can. You demonstrate it with scientific evidence. Like the right-hand rule, pair production. At which point some deny the scientific evidence and take refuge in "the proper mathematics".

ben_m said:
What makes it a non-explanation?
Intrinsic explains nothing. It totally fails to address pair production and magnetic dipole moment. How can any rational person be satisfied with intrinsic ? It is exactly equivalent to surpasseth all human understanding.

ben_m said:
Only your opinion that all angular momenta need to be the same as the L = v x r angular momenta in classical physics. Sorry, Farsight, your faith in classical physics is a blind faith and is misplaced.
I'm really not the one exhibiting blind faith here.

ben_m said:
We have a large amount of evidence that classical physics is wrong (quantum mechanics generally)..
That's the physics of billiard-ball point particles. There's another classical physics of waves that isn't.

ben_m said:
..and furthermore a lot of evidence that the electron spin is really truly intrinsic. Saying it's intrinsic is NOT brushing it under the rug---there's a lot of quantum mechanics telling us that it's intrinsic.
Absolutely wrong. You're dismissing the evidence that challenges your faith in intrinsic spin. If you weren't, I'd be enjoying a sincere physics discussion instead of being shouted down and bored to death with statements like this:

ben_m said:
So far, Farsight, you haven't been able to explain anything using any technique whatsoever.
I explained the electromagnetic field. Once you see the twist and turn, everything else is easy. That's if you sit down and think about it instead of treating your textbook like a bible and behaving like a mumin.

Tubbythin said:
Define "explain"...
Sigh.

Tubbythin said:
Err what? Electrons move too you know.
You can capture an electron, and have it sitting there in front of you. You can't do that with a photon. And you can't do that with a neutrino.

Tubbythin said:
We have a theory describing the electron that just happens to be one of the greatest, more precisely tested theories of physics in human history. And you want to reject it because you don't understand it and would rather explain things in terms of nice flowery words.
I'm not rejecting QED, I'm giving you the underlying meaning that's always been missing. That's what you're rejecting, along with the evidence of pair production, in favour of mysticism. What would you rather do, understand the twist/turn dualism of the electromagnetic field wherein action in space causes motion, or believe in parallel universes and time travel and things not existing until you look at them?

Groan. Don't you get it get Tubby? I'm the skeptic. You're the sucker.
 
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TubbyThin said:
Farsight, have you ever looked up the experimental limit on the maximum size of the electron?
Yes, the wrong inference was drawn. It's like looking for a cannonball in the middle of a whirlpool, and when you probe down to a 10cm resolution and still can't find it, proclaiming that the cannonball must be smaller than that.

TubbyThin said:
Have you ever then tried to calculate the speed at which the electron must be spinning in order for it to have in the classical sense, the angular momentum we call spin?
Tell Lorentz from me: it isn't a cannonball.

Gotta go. Come on guys, raise your game.
 
No. Nobody can. You demonstrate it with scientific evidence. Like the right-hand rule, pair production. At which point some deny the scientific evidence and take refuge in "the proper mathematics".
But if we look at any real physics paper or book, the evidence that the authors present is all about making measurements (using mathematics). You have never tried to provide any physics evidence. So I ask again, why do even you believe in your theory if you have nothing like evidence given your own standards?

Why do you say that you understand these principles that you keep mentioning when it is clear that you cannot use them to build any device or to perform any experiment?
 
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I explained the electromagnetic field. Once you see the twist and turn, everything else is easy. That's if you sit down and think about it instead of treating your textbook like a bible and behaving like a mumin.

No you haven’t, and you have specifically stated that how you would like to explain “the electromagnetic field” (your “twist and turn” photon geometry) is just too hard for you to actually work out. So you are in fact claiming that you specifically can not explain the electromagnetic field with your “twist and turn” photon geometry because it is simply too hard for you to do so, but simply want people to accept it anyway. In spite of the fact that you have failed to show anything constricting a photon to your “twist and turn” path or even how such a photon path might result in the charge or spin of an electron. So apparently nothing has become any easier for you even though you claim to “see the twist and turn” and “everything else is easy”. Sit down with a textbook sometime and think about how “the proper mathematics” is a required part of the demonstrative scientific evidence. Instead of just thinking that you imagining your “twist and turn” shows or explains anything or has put you in a position where “everything else is easy” when even by your own assertions it clearly has not.
 
Huh? It predicts a decay rate of zero. Like the measured decay rate. And that says charge is conserved. I suppose the next nasty problem will be that "my model" doesn't predict the price of eggs.
Why is the decay rate zero? Your model has a photon in a bound state, so there is an amplitude per unit time that it will tunnel out of the state and become a free particle. No?
P.S. I'd still like to see how Compton scattering fits into this model. At the small scale, your model needs a photon (the incoming one) to scatter off another photon (the "self- trapped" one). It seems to me that your model is going to have serious difficulties describing the observed characteristics of Compton scattering.
P.P.S. I've yet to see an explanation of how a photon interacts with itself to become "self-trapped" in the first place, and why only one wavelength of photon is capable of doing this (the one that happens to give the correct electron rest-energy).
 
Here's the scary thing: this is something this guy has been working on for at least four years, yet he hasn't tried to learn any actual physics.
Farsight said:
I've posted the above on some other forums and had a mixed response, ranging from "wow" to "crackpot", but nobody can bust it. Nobody can explain why it's wrong. If anybody can, I'll be disappointed, but grateful.
That was written in November of 2006.
 
!?!

I invalidate the theory of relativity.

According to the theory of relativity the time pauses when it reaches the speed of light.

The time bases on entropy in other words that the energy alters its density and the substance alters with time.

How could the time pause when a spaceship meets photons that come towards with a speed of light?

No way!

On the contrary, the entropy accelerates the more the spaceship meets photons coming towards.

The sun light makes the paint to peel off in other words it alters to a less dense substance.

How about when the ship meets photons while itself moves with a speed of light?


The time of the substance / the energy on the surface of a ship that moves with the speed of light has not been paused and that’s a fact!

It is absolutely ridiculous to claim that the time pauses when moving with the speed of light!

The faster the photon moves in realation to that object that it hits, the bigger the kinetc energy is.

If we think that the time of the ship slows down, then the photons comimg towards would hit the ship even with faster speed.
In relation to the time of the ship and therefore the computational kinetic energy of the photons would be even stronger ect.

This makes an obvious contradiction.

The photons coming from the sun make the paint to peel off in other words to alter faster into a less dense? Apparently this is a proven fact? I´m sure that the sunny side of my house peels off faster!

If my house would move towards the sun with the speed of light, the time of our houses substance / energy would not have definitely paused and I am also very sure of that!

According to the theory of www.onesimpleprinciple.com the house would have altered into a light (=photons) and during that transform the time of the house would have begin to advance faster and faster.

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You refusal to define what you mean as "explain" so that I can answer the question you asked is noted.

You can capture an electron, and have it sitting there in front of you. You can't do that with a photon. And you can't do that with a neutrino.
The neutrino is stationary in its reference frame. This should be fairly obvious.

I'm not rejecting QED,
Yes you are. You might not know that you're rejecting it because you clearly know almost nothing about physics. But rest assured, there is absolutely no room in QED for electrons and protons to be made of photons.

I'm giving you the underlying meaning that's always been missing. That's what you're rejecting, along with the evidence of pair production, in favour of mysticism.
I'm sorry, but you're the one rejecting the evidence of pair production. Remember?:
Until then, look at the evidence of electron/positron pair production and annihilation. You typically achieve the former by splitting a +1022keV photon over a nucleus.
And remember the fact that this is not true since a 1022 keV photon will most likely Compton scatter.

What would you rather do, understand the twist/turn dualism of the electromagnetic field wherein action in space causes motion, or believe in parallel universes and time travel and things not existing until you look at them?
Nice false dichotomy fallacy.

Groan. Don't you get it get Tubby? I'm the skeptic.
That may be true. But you also have not even the slightest idea what you're talking about.

You're the sucker.
For believing repeated, quantified experimental data over your salad of words, pretty pictures, ignorance, false dichotomies and insults?
 
I invalidate the theory of relativity.

According to the theory of relativity the time pauses when it reaches the speed of light.

The time bases on entropy in other words that the energy alters its density and the substance alters with time.

How could the time pause when a spaceship meets photons that come towards with a speed of light?

No way!

On the contrary, the entropy accelerates the more the spaceship meets photons coming towards.

The sun light makes the paint to peel off in other words it alters to a less dense substance.

How about when the ship meets photons while itself moves with a speed of light?


The time of the substance / the energy on the surface of a ship that moves with the speed of light has not been paused and that’s a fact!

It is absolutely ridiculous to claim that the time pauses when moving with the speed of light!

The faster the photon moves in realation to that object that it hits, the bigger the kinetc energy is.

If we think that the time of the ship slows down, then the photons comimg towards would hit the ship even with faster speed.
In relation to the time of the ship and therefore the computational kinetic energy of the photons would be even stronger ect.

This makes an obvious contradiction.

The photons coming from the sun make the paint to peel off in other words to alter faster into a less dense? Apparently this is a proven fact? I´m sure that the sunny side of my house peels off faster!

If my house would move towards the sun with the speed of light, the time of our houses substance / energy would not have definitely paused and I am also very sure of that!

According to the theory of www.onesimpleprinciple.com the house would have altered into a light (=photons) and during that transform the time of the house would have begin to advance faster and faster.

.



Sorry Pixie, once again the only thing you invalidate is your own understanding. Other than that, it sounds like your house could use a paint job. I would recommend a UV resistant house paint. Even if you’re not expecting that your “house would move towards the sun with the speed of light”.
 
Yes, the wrong inference was drawn. It's like looking for a cannonball in the middle of a whirlpool, and when you probe down to a 10cm resolution and still can't find it, proclaiming that the cannonball must be smaller than that.
Please show explicitly how every experiment that has ever measured the size of the electron is wrong.

Tell Lorentz from me: it isn't a cannonball.
Pardon.

Gotta go. Come on guys, raise your game.
Why bother with such pitiful opposition?
 
ben_m said:
You're making the (very common) assumption that the star's rest frame is somehow the "real" one---containing the star's real shape---and everyone else is just "seeing it differently". No, in special relativity the quantity you want to call the star's "shape" is simply not an invariant. It's an observer dependent quantity.
That's not true ben. I know my relativity. You might measure length contraction, but you're smart enough to know that measurements are affected by relative velocity, just as they're affected by distance. If you're in a very fast spaceship and you see a star looking flattened, you know it can't be flat from every angle of approach. And you know it doesn't flatten more when you speed up. Just as you're smart enough to know that this is not oval:

compact-disc_web.jpg


ben_m said:
If you want to figure out what the actual invariant quantity is---and there is one---and therefore make true statements instead of false ones, you'll need to do it more carefully. The ability to do this correctly, and avoid doing it incorrectly, is highly correlated with the ability to DO THE MATH.
The math of special relativity is trivial. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_d...nce_of_time_dilation_due_to_relative_velocity for some arithmetic, though it isn't expressed as simply as it could be. Pythogoras' theorem applies because the hypotenuse is the light path with length of c=1 in natural units, and the base represents your speed as a fraction of c. Work out the height for a length contraction factor and take a reciprocal for a time dilation factor. The "space-time interval" is said to be invariant, but actually both space and time are defined using the motion of light. It all comes down to motion. I'll see about posting up Time Explained.
 
Originally Posted by Farsight
Sol: I said your motion does not affect the spaceship. You said:

sol invictus said:
Sure it does. When I rotate, there's a "fictitious force" that grabs the ship and swings it violently around. That's a completely consistent description, one that's exactly equivalent to any other valid description (and by the way, it's the one we tend to use on earth - ever heard of Coriolis force?).
Now pay attention and listen: when you're observing a spaceship, and you move, you don't affect that spaceship one iota. Your measurements change. That's all.

All: I'm disappointed that nobody is putting sol straight on this kind of basic stuff.

Sol: no, the neutrino is not merely a lightweight electron without charge.
 

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