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Reincarnation

The REAL world is a far more intersting, exciting and incredible world than any nonsense feeble minded humans have been able to come up with - from organized religion to modern day mystical nonsense they all PALE by comparison to reality. Discovering and coming to understand this reality is far more pleasurable an endevour then swallowing the mindless idiotic twattle you or any of the other woos I've ever heard produce.

To be honest Magyar, most peoples comments I can understand, but yours are just ignorant. To call someone elses beliefs idiotic twattle and accusing me of being a feeble minded human is rude. This is ignorance. That is probably the biggest reason for war and suffering on this planet. I can clearly see that your skepticism has not made you a positive person. Your probably just using skepticism to make your ego feel good by telling yourself how stupid they are and how wise you are. There are 6 billion people on the planet. To think that anyone with beliefs that differ from your own are "idiotic" and "feeble minded humans" is true ignorance and stupidity. If anyone is putting skepticism in the minority it is you. If skepticism is ignorance of other peoples beliefs then i dont find it very appealing.

And to compare buddhist believes with suicide bombers is truly idiotic. Its the most peaceful philosophy in the world. buddhists have acceptance for everyone, are not judgmental and have compassion for themselves and others. Compassion for others you could definetly use.
 
I see. I actually dont believe in things just because of the feelings to me. Its just that what defines my truth is different. To me when it comes to spirituality I see it as the truth, but my truth comes from feeling and intuition rather than scientific proof. My own experience to me is more truthful than scientific evidence.


I don't mean to be rude, but did you notice a contradiction here?
 
The concept that every belief is equally valid is a fault concept.

Some ideas are correct, some are incorrect.

Recognising this, some people prefer to search for the beliefs that are provably correct.
Others pay no regard to objective validity and search for ideas that satisfy a desire.

This is fine, but thank goodness we have those in the first category, or else we certainly would not be here presently, typing on our computers, enjoying the internet, using electricity, living in an engineered building, living long lives due to modern medicine, travelling distances using automobiles, air travel, etc.

The sceptical scientific method brings us real tangible benefits that enhance our lives, and progress our species. The fact that we readily throw this, the best method we have for finding the truth away, and instead pursue desire when we contemplate our own deaths, speaks volumes about our species.

Truth vs. desire. Desire will win any day.
 
I see. I actually dont believe in things just because of the feelings to me. Its just that what defines my truth is different. To me when it comes to spirituality I see it as the truth, but my truth comes from feeling and intuition rather than scientific proof. My own experience to me is more truthful than scientific evidence.
You are contradicting yourself.
You 'don't believe in things just because of the feelings to me' (sic) but your truth comes from feeling and intuition.
Your own imagination is more truthful than reality.
 
And to compare buddhist believes with suicide bombers is truly idiotic. Its the most peaceful philosophy in the world. buddhists have acceptance for everyone, are not judgmental and have compassion for themselves and others. Compassion for others you could definetly use.

Buddhism may be peaceful, but that doesn't make it any truer than other beliefs.
It is perfectly valid to compare suicide bombers, who will kill for a belief, with buddhists, who will burn for a belief.
Both are deluded.
 
I have a theory that a great many people who believe in things supernatural (especially the more "New Age" type of beliefs) also believe that there is no single objective reality but that each person can create (or create by perception) their own universe.

Actually i would subscribe to a similar notion. There is a single objective reality, we just don't know exactly what it is. Each person selects- not necessarily counsciously - what of this reality they perceive and how they interpret it. Luckily a large part of perceived reality is shared on a semantic level ( colorblinds aside we all call the stimulus from seeing a red object with similar terms, regardless of how we actually react to it) which allows us to communicate despite our different perceptions of reality.

Buddhism may be peaceful, but that doesn't make it any truer than other beliefs.
It is perfectly valid to compare suicide bombers, who will kill for a belief, with buddhists, who will burn for a belief.
Both are deluded.

Shouldn't we be consequent then and expand the category of deluded people?

History knows terrorist acts for political reasons from groups as unsuspicios of religion as marxists, anarchist,racial supremacists and patriots.

in the sector of self-sacrifice i actually think patriots lead , be it for the tenno or for mom and apple pie before religious martyrs. Remember: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

As for atrocities. If you subscribe to PETA or include guys like Joseph Mengele, you might actually find people who are prepared to perform them in the name of science. But every other higher good will serve as a similar good reason.

If this is your measure then a vast majority of mankind is hopelessly deluded, simply because they are prepared to sacrifice themselves or others for what they perceive to be a noble end.
 
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I don't know really. Didnt want to achieve anything I just wanted to discuss reincarnation. Probably picked the wrong forum.

Out of interest, what do you guys get out of skepticism? I'm not attacking anyone here im just genuinly interested. Obviously a bit of skeptism is healthy but on these forums there is a lot of skeptism. Does it give you pleasure to prove or dissaprove a theory? Doesnt it get boring living life so scepitically?


What we get out of scepticism is a clearer picture of the world as it really is. It allows us to distiguish fact from fantasy, to see things as they really are rather than how we might want them to be. To be able to prove or disprove a theory takes us one step further in our journey of knowledge, a journey far more rewarding than staying still with which ever collection of parochial myths you may have started with. How can you accuse us of negativity when all we strive for is intellectual honesty?
 
Obviously a bit of skeptism is healthy but on these forums there is a lot of skeptism. Does it give you pleasure to prove or dissaprove a theory? Doesnt it get boring living life so scepitically?
It gives me pleasure to understand how this wonderful world works. I only get one chance (apparently) to live a life, and I want to get the most out of it that I possibly can. And that involves, as much as possible, believing things that are in fact true, and disbelieving things that are false. A big part of this is learning the scientific method, especially the common ways that people fool themselves.

I believe in it because of the feeling I get from it, like a deep knowing.
See? That right there is one of those common ways that people fool themselves and end up believing things that are false.


And out of the endless brain chatter trying to understand, or the silence, I know which I prefer.
So you're saying that you're happier living with some ignorance of the world. I get the mental picture of someone lying in his bed with the covers pulled over his head, wishing that the world were not so complicated, instead of getting out and appreciating it for what it is.

I see it like this. Science can teach you about a fruit. It can tell you what it looks like, its chemical properties, what it feels like etc. But until you have tasted the fruit, you can never say you have truly experienced it. Ultimately the proof lies not in the intellect, but the feeling and experience you have.
OK, but what if you learn why it tastes like it does? Doesn't that give you much more appreciation for the experience?

Seriously, I think your world view is basically hiding from the wonderfulness of the world, trying to shut yourself off from all it has to offer, and preferring your little fantasies.

Is that how you want to live your life? Really?
 
Seriously, I think your world view is basically hiding from the wonderfulness of the world, trying to shut yourself off from all it has to offer, and preferring your little fantasies.

Is that how you want to live your life? Really?


Little fantasies? LOL Obviously somewhere down the line what Ive said has made me sound like I am shutting off the truth, or living in my own little world. I'm a fan of science, dont believe in god and I think we have evolved from monkeys. What I have tried to say probably has come out wrong looking at the responses. Words have there limitations, especially when its just text on a screen.

I recommend people read the power of now or a new earth by eckhart tolle. He can explain a lot better than I can. Hiding from the world? Its all about embracing it fully without judgement.

preferring your little fantasies.

I can see from comments like these by some people, which are patronising, there are quite a few egos on this forum. Why say comments like these? Why would you want to belittle another human being? Quite simply its the ego. It loves to big itself up by making other people feel small. I urge you to read the book. It will help you to overcome the ego. Its perfectly possible to disagree with someone without having to belittle them. Thinking is our greatest tool but at the same time its our worst enemy. It has created the ego which is the reason for all man made suffering on the planet. It has made us think we are seperate from the universe. We are the universe.

Thats my only critisicm of critical thinking, you will become addicted to thinking. There was a survey carried out amongst the worlds top mathematicians, including Einstein to find out there working methods. Surprisingly the results showed that "thinking plays only a subordinate part in the brief, decisive phase of the creative act itself." So if you think that thinking is crucial to our existence, that helps to see it from another perspective.

Honestly people, you can take in almost all the aspects of Tolles teaching without worrying about things like reincarnation. Its not just Tolle, theres many teachers out there, but I feel he is the most gifted. It helps you to be in the moment of life, the present moment, without it being taken away by the endless mind chatter that most humans suffer from. Even scientists acknowledge that something like 90% of all thinking is useless, maybe even harmful. Look at things like depression, anorexia. All created by the mind.

Reading the books has made me a more happy person, as quite simply my ego doesnt run my life any more. I rarely get angry anymore. I have a better quality of life. So have a read of the book. Youve got nothing to lose.

Cheers
 
I'm a fan of science ... I think we have evolved from monkeys.

Even scientists acknowledge that something like 90% of all thinking is useless, maybe even harmful. Look at things like depression, anorexia. All created by the mind.

A fan of science who thinks we evolved from monkeys? You need to review your science.
Which scientists acknowledge that 90% of all thinking is useless?
Look at things like love, generosity, kindness, humour, friendship, happiness, curiosity: all created by the mind.

You seem to denigrate thinking, but a lack of thinking seems to lead you to some questionable conclusions.
 
To call someone else's beliefs idiotic twaddle and accusing me of being a feeble minded human is rude.

OH That's just RICH. You come on a skeptic board talking about how you have the special insight to this knowledge "just because of this deep feeling". I expect that when you came here somewhere in your mind was the thought (as with virtually all woo-ists who come here) that if us poor skeptics just heard the words we would come out of our ignorance.

You sight a book which, if you read, you swallowed hook line and sinker with ZERO critical through. Then you are shocked and completely dismissive when people point out to you that your source has been utterly debunked multiple times- after all (paraphrase) "evidence doesn't really matter 'cause we all have our own truth" .


HOW can you call that ignorant!? After all, YOU are the one who just wrote a mini tome about how we all have different truths - so apparently you are not only ignorant you are a hypocrite as well (and proving my point all at once) You just showed that in your
opinion YOUR truths are better then mine directly contradicting what you said without any evidence!.

THAT is the very definition of twaddle - as in pretentious or silly talk.
I wonder why I am not surprised!


That is probably the biggest reason for war and suffering on this planet.

There you go talking out of your ass again. When was the last time you heard of war caused by skepticism or from a demand for evidence. In the news recently - Shiites killing Sunis, Muslims killing xians, Hage calling catholics the children of the devil and "hitler was doing gods work" and the list goes on. And while buddhist are far less likely to cause violence then say muslims it is not at all unheard of (proving again that you have no critical thought or knowledge of the woo you think gives you some special insight)
http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/slrv.htm
and here your precious dalai lama preaching violence - just like all religious nutters shoveling twaddle to the uncritical thinkers, justifying the means to the end - "well some violence is OK after all, to get what we want http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/dalailama/interview.html
http://www.sangam.org/articles/view/?id=118



I can clearly see that your skepticism has not made you a positive person.
Yea WHAT EVER that means - what are you going to do now give me some gibberish about how my fung shway is not lined up with my yang

Your probably just using skepticism to make your ego feel good by telling yourself how stupid they are and how wise you are. There are 6 billion people on the planet. To think that anyone with beliefs that differ from your own are "idiotic" and "feeble minded humans" is true ignorance and stupidity. If anyone is putting skepticism in the minority it is you. If skepticism is ignorance of other peoples beliefs then i don't find it very appealing.

Again another pile of horse manure! I am not the one going to Buddhist forums pointing out how buddhists are stupid. You are the one who came here talking about how you know great truths we are not pr eve to. Perhaps I was more blunt then others but you are the one who came here talking about non-sense. As if it was something new and hasn't been shown to be a totally baseless fairy tale like all other beliefs in the supernatural.

As for others beliefs - There are DOZENS of people on this forum with whom I disagree in the political forum for example. YET I defy you to find a single post of mine being "rude" to them.

You know what the difference is between you and them?
They have carefully thought out their opinion, and points of view and while I might not agree with their conclusions I respect them and learn a lot from them! You on the other hand are typical of the vast majority of the 6 billion people who believe the twaddle they do simply because of where they were born or because they can't be bothered to use the brain that evolution gave them.

And to compare buddhist believes with suicide bombers is truly idiotic. Its the most peaceful philosophy in the world. buddhists have acceptance for everyone, are not judgmental and have compassion for themselves and others. Compassion for others you could definetly use.


Again examplifying the non critical thinking of the zealot. You probably became a buddhist after ghestalt and what ever other whacky new age chrystal worshipping non-sense failed you. You headed down to your local Buddhist center and put on your pretty orange sheets and found "salvation" Google IS your friend. NEWS FLASH look at the links I gave you above and spend some time actually learning about what you think you believe in.
 
Just to pop in, in Buddhism there is no reincarnation, but rebirth. I know it sounds like splitting hairs, and many are lazy in translating, but there is a key difference. In reincarnation there is a soul that moves from one body to another. The Buddha denied the existence of an essential, permanent self. Rebirth is not reincarnation.

Though it is difficult to say what it is, and the answer you get will vary from teacher to teacher. There is the rebirth that happens at every moment. There is also the rebirth where after one dies something continues on to another being. This something is sometimes said to be kamma, or karma in the more familiar Sanskrit (or karmic energy, or karmic imprint, etc.). It is also interpreted as a passing on of the vows made at the moment of death by bodhisattvas in the Mahayana tradition.

A famous analogy is the passing of a flame from one candle to another. The second flame is not the same as the first, but neither is it a different one.

What the Buddha denied were the religious beliefs of Eternalism and Annihilationism. As Suzuki Roshi put it, if we think that death is the end of our life, that is wrong understanding. If we think that we do not die, that is also wrong.

I could quote him more, but he goes on to things that are really trippy and too advanced for me.

As I said before, different teachers have different interpretations and often times different traditions will have different ones as well. For instance, though I know of no statistical facts, anecdotally I would say that Theravadin and Tibetan practitioners stress the idea of literal rebirth more. Whereas Japanese Zen doesn't focus too much on rebirth, and focuses more on the emptiness of self here and now. Or, at least, that this is how it is translated across the ocean.

Now, "consciousness" is one of the five skandhas, which could be interpreted as "piles", that make up a person. It is also one of the 12 Links of Interdependent Co-Arising. From the literal Buddhist view, though it may in a way be passed from one being to another, it is discontinuous, as even consciousness is impermanent, without self, and conditioned.

As for the number of beings, well the literal Buddhist universe is very large. There are many planes of existence to be born to. Also, why think one would always be reborn on Earth ;) ?
 
When was the last time you heard of war caused by skepticism or from a demand for evidence. In the news recently - Shiites killing Sunis, Muslims killing xians, Hage calling catholics the children of the devil and "hitler was doing gods work" and the list goes on.
Yep, it sure does. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot -- whoops, they were all atheists, so obviously they don't count.
 
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Yep, it sure does. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot -- whoops, they were all atheists, so obviously they don't count.

More non-sense. This only comes up because theists have no way of explaining away the barbarism and hypocracy of their behavior that their beliefs in sky fairies create. So they have to throw out this straw man to try to change the subject.

There have been several lengthy threads on these people on this forum. And there has been volumes of books written. There is not a single iota of evidence that any of these people did what they did from the primary motivation of being or espousing atheism as a doctrine of (lack of)belief or made any statements remotely relating to atheism as an excuse for what they did. As opposed to all the historical evidence for religious murder, rape and pillage for no other reason then "god tells me to".

Were they atheists - well in at least the case of Stalin, it is at least questionable. But, stating that religion is bad or the "opiate of the masses" (and rightly so, IMO) in Mao's case is NOT equal to stating that I am killing people because I am atheist. As opposed to xians killing jews or muslims flying planes into buildings. Correlation is not causation!

Even if we accept your premise that all 3 of these people were atheists. SO WHAT! You still have miles to go to prove that their primary (or for that matter even one of the major) motivators for their actions was atheism. I dare say that you have zero chance of actually proving such a point.

On the other hand there is not a single religion you can find that doesn't have dogma or an edict from it's mouth piece proclaiming some excuse why it is not only OK, but a duty and a way to salvation to rape torture and kill for some special reason or other - from jon88s buddha to the "religion of peace". Now you may claim that I am operating under a double standard and make the usual theist apologies about how "those people weren't really religion x" or that isn't the X I believe in. But this doesn't wash for the simple reason that atheists don't claims to have a special channel to the supernatural source of "higher truth" as all religions claim.

So even if we take this to the extreme and concede (for arguments sake) that all 3 examples above were atheists and they killed and did what they did for no other motivation then atheism - What does that prove for you!? 3 atheist were able to achieve power and abuse that power and commit evil. They took totally different paths to achieve that power and created their own set of rules. They didn't rely on some myth from 2000 years ago or some special atheist tome as an excuse for what they did like theists do for their murder and bigotry. Atheism doesn't say that it's infallible, or omnipotent or has excess to superior truth as ALL religions claim. As this forum proves, getting atheists to agree on practically anything is like herding cats. The only thing that atheists have in common as far as I can tell is that they all require reasonable evidence for any claim. There is no special marching orders coming down from an imaginary super daddy who theists claim knows all, but can't seem to get the most basic of facts right.
 
Actually i would subscribe to a similar notion. There is a single objective reality, we just don't know exactly what it is. Each person selects- not necessarily counsciously - what of this reality they perceive and how they interpret it. Luckily a large part of perceived reality is shared on a semantic level ( colorblinds aside we all call the stimulus from seeing a red object with similar terms, regardless of how we actually react to it) which allows us to communicate despite our different perceptions of reality.
I'd buy that.

The problem is, the mindset of the kind of believers I'm talking about denies the objective reality. If they accepted that and were talking about alternative perceptions of that reality, I could at least have a conversation where you compare the merits of one perception to another. Instead, it's strictly a matter of free choice, and any criticism of their perception is just a mean or negative attack on what they have every right to choose.

I guess it's a long winded way of saying that when they say, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion" they mean, "Everyone is entitled to have his opinion treated as if it were correct".

It's very much like Dawkins' complaint about religion--that it is above criticism. If someone's strange idea is a matter of faith, there's simply no discussing it, and we're all supposed to act like the idea is reasonable, or simply a matter of personal preference.
 
Everyone,

Now, "consciousness" is one of the five skandhas, which could be interpreted as "piles", that make up a person. It is also one of the 12 Links of Interdependent Co-Arising. From the literal Buddhist view, though it may in a way be passed from one being to another, it is discontinuous, as even consciousness is impermanent, without self, and conditioned.

To elaborate, the arising of sensory-consciousness is said to be dependent upon the meeting of one of the six sense-organs (salayatana) and its corresponding object. The process of seeing, for example, is described as a conditional process where "dependent on eye and visible forms, eye-consciousness arises" (SN 12.43). Without the presence of the appropriate sense organ (e.g., the eye) or the corresponding object of reference (e.g., rock), sensory-consciousness (e.g., eye-consciousness) cannot arise. Furthermore, dependent co-arising specifically states, "From the arising of name-and-form comes the arising of consciousness. From the cessation of name-and-form comes the cessation of consciousness." Additionally, in DN 15, special attention is paid to the complex relationship between name-and-form (nama-rupa), i.e., mentality-materiality, and consciousness (vinnana)—with the Buddha detailing the mutual dependency of mental and physical activity and consciousness. In one analogy used to illustrate their relationship, consciousness and name-and-form act as two sheaves of reeds leaning against one another. In essence, the two sheaves of reeds support one another, and if one were pulled away, the other would fall (SN 12.67). Therefore, it is clear that sensory-consciousness is a dependently existing phenomena that cannot exist without a sense organ or its corresponding object of reference. As for the nature of consciousness itself, however, I cannot say for sure. Perhaps consciounsess is something that is fundamental to the basic structure of the universe; perhaps consciousness is purely a conditional phenomenon with nothing else underlying it; perhaps there is a separate type of consciousness that does not partake of any of the six senses or their objects—for me, the jury is still out on this one.

In terms of the aggregate of consciousness (vinnana-khandha), it is clear that consciousness is a dependently existing phenomena ... However, there are a couple of sutta passages which could seem to suggest that there is a form of consciousness that does not come under the aggregate of consciousness. For example, Thanissaro Bhikkhu states in a note to his tranlsation of MN 109, "One form of consciousness apparently does not come under the aggregate of consciousness. This type of consciousness is termed vinnanam anidassanam — consciousness without a surface, or consciousness without feature. MN 49 says specifically that this consciousness does not partake of the "allness of the all," the "all" being conterminous with the five aggregates. The standard definition of the aggregate of consciousness states that this aggregate includes all consciousness, "past, present, or future... near or far." However, because vinnanam anidassanam stands outside of space and time it would not be covered by these terms. Similarly, where SN 22.97 says that no consciousness is eternal, "eternal" is a concept that applies only within the dimension of time, and thus would not apply to this form of consciousness." While this view that there is a type of consciousness that lies outside of space and time, and therefore, outside the consciousness-aggregate altogether is not a view that is supported by the "classical" Theravada Tradition in which the enitre Tipitaka and its commentaries are considered authoritative, the imagery of consciousness that "does not land or increase" mentioned in SN 12.64 does seem to support such a possibilty, even if some might say that comparing this imagery of consciousness that "does not land or grow" to the consciousness of Nibbana is taking it out of context. At least I think so.

But the commentaries gloss the term "vinnanam anidassanam" in a way that denies such a possibilty. Using the Kevatta Sutta (DN 11), for example, Suan Lu Zaw, a Burmese lay-teacher of Pali and Abhidhamma, explains that according the the Kevatta Sutta Atthakatha [DN 11 commentary], vinnanam does not refer to the usual meaning of "consciousness" here, but instead defines it as, "There, to be known specifically, so (it is) "vinnanam". This is the name of Nibbana." He also explains that the following line of DN 11, "Here (in Nibbana), nama as well as rupa cease without remainder. By ceasing of conscousness, nama as well as rupa ceases here" illustrates this point. He states that, "Nibbana does not become a sort of consciousness just because one of the Pali names happens to be vinnanam." And finally, he concludes by using a quote from a section of the Dhammapada Attakatha [Dhammapada commentary], which apparently states that there is no consciousness component in parinibbana after the death of an arahant. This, of course, is in direct contrast to Thanissaro Bhikkhu's note to this particular sutta which suggests that this term refers to a consciousness that lies outside of space and time, and therefore, outside the consciousness-aggregate altogether. Basically, what this controversy boils down to is the experience of Nibbana and the nature of that experience. The general tendency is to either describe Nibbana as the ending of all consciousness, all awareness, or in other words, to stress the cessation aspect of Nibbana, or to describe Nibbana as a state of purified awareness, "consciousness without feature", or in other words, to stress the transcendent aspect of Nibbana. The "classical" Theravada Tradition favors the former view of Nibbana while others, like the Thai Forest Tradition, favor the latter.

That being said, rebirth is essentially renewal of existence. As with most Eastern philosophies and religions, Buddhism does not view death as the final end of phenomena. In Buddhism, only Nibbana is said to be the final end of phenomena in regards to the arising and passing away of beings (AN 10.58). According to the teachings on dependent origination, if there are sufficient conditions present, those conditions with inevitably result in future births (SN 12.35). Along with consciousness, craving (tahna) plays a vital role in the renewal of beings and the production of future births. To illustrate how craving could result in future births, the Buddha used a simile in which he compared the sustenance of a flame to that of a being at the time of death. Essentially, a flame burns in dependence on its fuel, and that fuel sustains it. When a flame burns in dependence on wood, for example, the wood sustains that flame. However, when a flame is swept up and carried away by the wind, the fuel of wind sustains that flame until it lands upon a new source of fuel. In the same way, a being at the time of death has the fuel of craving as its sustenance (SN 44.9). The last consciousness of a being at the time of death, with the presence of craving, is the cause for the arising of a new consciousness. In the human realm, this would be in combination with the union of a healthy sperm and egg, although the Buddha often mentioned various other forms of birth in other realms of existence—none of which are free from suffering. Hence, the Buddha states, "Wherever there is a basis for consciousness, there is support for the establishing of consciousness. When consciousness is established and has come to growth, there is the production of renewed existence" (SN 12.38). The Buddha never really got more specific than that, though.

Finally, to remove one of the more common misunderstandings in regard to consciousness, in response to the view that "it is this same consciousness that runs and wanders through the round of rebirths, not another" put forth by Sati, a bhikkhu that was the son of a fisherman, the Buddha rebukingly said, "Misguided man, have I not stated in many ways consciousness to be dependently arisen, since without a condition there is no origination of consciousness" (MN 38). This eliminates the idea of consciousness as "self." Coming back to the teachings on rebirth, the "re" implies that something happens again, and that something is birth, i.e., the appearance of the aggregates, which takes place again and again. As such, this process of birth, death, birth, et cetera will continue as long as the requsite conditions are present. The word for "rebirth" in Pali is punabhava, which literally means "re-becoming" or "renewed existence." Although the aggregates are impermament, they are conditioned by causes anterior to birth, and act as causes for future births. Kamma is what makes entire this process possible. In Bhikkhu Bodhi's words, "When ignorance and craving underlie our stream of consciousness, our volitional actions of body, speech, and mind become forces with the capacity to produce results, and of the results they produce the most significant is the renewal of the stream of consciousness following death" (Anicca Vata Sankhara). Therefore, while there is a type of continuity invloved in this process, it should not be mistaken for something substantial. As such, this "stream of consciousnes" should not be understood as a static thing, but simply a complex and uninterupted process of arising and ceasing in which both consciousness and craving play an important role. The term "rebirth" is merely a convenience.

Sincerely,

Jason
 
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