Regarding Franko...

[Franko]

Now, can I have an applogy for your sudden turn of agressive behaviour towards me and move on to act in more productive civilised manner or not?

What aggressive behavior are you referring to specifically?

You engaged me in this discussion with typical A-Theistic condescension.

Regarding your shallow opinon you have that right, however there is a but, to gain an opinon you must know all there is to make it, you do not.

How do YOU know what I know?

What are you babbling about?

Are you going to explain and defend your beliefs or not?

You do not know me or what my beliefs or othewise are, you are making not a fair opinon but a prebiased judgement based on what the others do or did.

If your beliefs were logical and based on evidence then you would be explaining them and defending them instead of putting on this little dog and pony show for us all.

I have already seen this little passion play a hundred times before. If you doubt me, then read any of CWL’s posts, or Trixy’s, or Fool’s, or De-Bunglers, or Titanpoo’s, or Evildave’s, or any of the other borg drones. You all spout the same nonsense, and none of you can explain what you believe, or why you believe it.

But you aren’t a religion …

… go be a non-religion elsewhere Chicky, I ain’t buying crazy today.

I am calm and civilised and have been towards you all along until you chose to group me with the others and be blinded by your own rage towards them Franko, do not tar me with the same brush you tar yourself with or others with.

I have no idea what you are talking about Sweet-pea.

If you aren’t an A-Theist, then why don’t you simply explain what you believe, and why you believe it. Are you expecting me to read your mind?

Should yu contine being agressive and unnecessary then I will publically ask for all to ignore you and hope that they see I am being just and concerend for your behaviour by asking of such, I do not wish to do this and hope you can see reason and we can move onto a far more stable postings.

Ahhh, so you are De-Bungler/Foool/UCE after all – see, I knew it!

Run along … www.infidels.org

 

[Guest]

Have it your way,Franko you can be in denial all you like, I have been friendly and politley towards you, you threw that back in my face.

You see Hal said somthing that gave me the clue about your state of mind and more.

Sorry but, I shall no longer give into your desire for any attention for your own gratification.

I ask of the other members to follow suit, as Franko will not get better if you continue to pander to his desire you will only make matters far worse than they are already.

You could be a good debater Franko its sad that your self denial forces the hand of reason to end your sick game.

bye.

 

[Tricky]

You know, Franko, you inadvertantly made a very telling statement.

I have already seen this little passion play a hundred times before.

Yes you have. You have alienated almost everyone who has ever tried to be nice to you. Radiating Sunflower was the soul of courtesy, but because she would not buy into your, ahh... unusual beliefs, you turned on her, just as you have turned on everyone.

Unless you change your debating methods, you will see it a hundred times again too.

It doesn't happen to everybody else. Take a good hard look at yourself and ask, "Am I doing something wrong?". I know you can be a nice guy. I've seen it. I cannot fathom why you choose to behave in a way that drives so many away from you. Go back to the post that Gentlehorse made and read it with introspection.

 

[Franko]

Trixy,

I have already seen this little passion play a hundred times before.

Trixy (A-Theist foreman):
Yes you have. You have alienated almost everyone who has ever tried to be nice to you.

I treat the A-Theists in this forum with at least the same respect they treat me. Ask Q-Source, or Soubrette.

Radiating Sunflower was the soul of courtesy, but because she would not buy into your, ahh... unusual beliefs, you turned on her, just as you have turned on everyone.

I didn’t “turn” on anyone. RadiationNunPower magically popped into the forum just as De-Bungler departed. She acted all chummy with you goonies, “She” didn’t seem to have any real interest in RELIGION or PHILOSOPHY other than to sing the praises of more book-burning.

De-Bungler/ReallyNeedsShower:
I will publically ask for all to ignore you and hope that they see I am being just and concerend for your behaviour by asking of such, I do not wish to do this and hope you can see reason and we can move onto a far more stable postings.

So some total stranger to the R&P forum wants to pop in and tell everyone else what they can and cannot read. No one here is actually a Skeptic, some Solipsist-wannabe is going to decide for everyone else what thoughts are allowed to go into your head. Obviously you are all to stupid (according to RadiatingFunPower/De-Funk) to decide what you want to read on your own.

RadiatingDeBunglerinaDress:
You see Hal said somthing that gave me the clue about your state of mind and more.

You see De-Bungler makes 3 complaints a day to poor Hal demanding that I be BANNED from JREF immediately so Her and Titanpoo can convert it to Infidels.org junior and get on with ridiculing their mental inferiors (Theists) and spreading their pessimistic fantasies.

And You agree with this person and support them Trixy … Bravo!

Once again you demonstrate your true colors Tricky. What’s next, religious fanatic? Are you going to start manufacturing fictitious quotes and attributing them to me so you can continue pretending your delusions are real (like the Fool and Whodini have done)?

Or perhaps you will place me on your IGNORE list and then dedicate entire threads in homage to me?

Or perhaps you will simply go the De-Bungler/Titanpoo/Elephant route and completely implode before us?

What was this person’s point? I didn’t here them asking any real questions. She just seemed to make a bee line for me and insist that I tell her “something” (god knows what she wanted to hear?).

Unless you change your debating methods, you will see it a hundred times again too.

I like taking out the trash, besides Eternity is a long Time …

It doesn't happen to everybody else. Take a good hard look at yourself and ask, "Am I doing something wrong?"

Have You been asking yourself that question lately Trixy?

I know you can be a nice guy. I've seen it. I cannot fathom why you choose to behave in a way that drives so many away from you. Go back to the post that Gentlehorse made and read it with introspection.

You are gentlehorses anti-particle. You dirty his name merely by speaking it.

 

[Franko]

RS,

Have it your way, Franko …

Have it My way? It seems more like you are simply whining because you didn’t get it Your way (whatever that was?).

… you can be in denial all you like

What am I in denial about Sweetheart?

… I have been friendly and politley towards you, you threw that back in my face.

Actually, it appears that you have come here deliberately solely to harass me, because I haven’t seen you make any substantive posts regarding RELIGION and/or PHILOSOPHY (see forum heading above). As best I can tell you have no reason to pop into the R&P forum other than to announce that you think I should be IGNORED.

Do you have some RELIGIOUS or PHILOSOPHICAL issue you would like to discuss, or are you simply another A-Theist Troll?

You see Hal said somthing that gave me the clue about your state of mind and more.

… And why on Earth would Hal Bidlack be discussing my state of mind with You, pray tell?

Sorry but, I shall no longer give into your desire for any attention for your own gratification.

I’ve heard De-Bungler, and UpCroll, and CWL, and MRC, and Evildave, and a host of others say that 100 times a piece. Tell me something I don’t know Hon.

I ask of the other members to follow suit, as Franko will not get better if you continue to pander to his desire you will only make matters far worse than they are already.

Translation: DO AS THIS A-THEIST COMMANDS! HER JUDGMENT IS SUPERIOR TO YOURS! WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS A FORUM FOR SKEPTICS AND FREETHINKERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT???

You could be a good debater Franko its sad that your self denial forces the hand of reason to end your sick game.

bye.

cry me a river …

 

[Tricky]

Trixy,
I treat the A-Theists in this forum with at least the same respect they treat me. Ask Q-Source, or Soubrette.

I have spoken with both QS and Sou. Their comments were very insightful and did not insult you. But they have more patience than I, which I do not deny. However, the person who has the patience to deal with you is rare. A number have tried it, and the vast majority now ignore you. Why do you suppose that is? But no, you don't treat people with respect if they do so to you. Latimer, Stimpy and a number of other very intelligent people have simply decided that you have nothing to offer. Or at least, that what you have to offer is not worth the price.

I didn’t “turn” on anyone. RadiationNunPower magically popped into the forum just as De-Bungler departed. She acted all chummy with you goonies, “She” didn’t seem to have any real interest in RELIGION or PHILOSOPHY other than to sing the praises of more book-burning.

LOL. De_Bunk is a crazy person. I cannot believe you would think him capable of making such a complex and interesting sock puppet as RS. She was chummy with everybody, and most of all you. She hung on your every word. You loved it. But, like most intelligent people, she started to point out the logical flaws in it. That is the sin you cannot forgive. What made you so bitter?

So some total stranger to the R&P forum wants to pop in and tell everyone else what they can and cannot read. No one here is actually a Skeptic, some Solipsist-wannabe is going to decide for everyone else what thoughts are allowed to go into your head. Obviously you are all to stupid (according to RadiatingFunPower/De-Funk) to decide what you want to read on your own.

Of course, RS never said such a thing. As always, you are making wild extrapolations, which you not only think are infallible, but which you think gain credence by repetition. This is a bad plan, Franko. It does not work. If it did, you wouldn't have to repeat this scenario so many times.

You see De-Bungler makes 3 complaints a day to poor Hal demanding that I be BANNED from JREF immediately so Her and Titanpoo can convert it to Infidels.org junior and get on with ridiculing their mental inferiors (Theists) and spreading their pessimistic fantasies.

And You agree with this person and support them Trixy … Bravo!

This is another thing that turns people off, Franko. Baseless accusations. I don't know if De_Bunk makes complaints or not, and neither do you. This information is not available to you. It is simply another of your wild extrapolations. I do know you are lying about me though. I could try asking if Jeff or Linda would release the information about the complaints I have made, though I doubt they would. I certainly have no fear of what they would say. You, on the other hand, would be shown, once again, to be a liar. But I guess that is no longer novel.

Once again you demonstrate your true colors Tricky. What’s next, religious fanatic? Are you going to start manufacturing fictitious quotes and attributing them to me so you can continue pretending your delusions are real (like the Fool and Whodini have done)?

LOL. I might. Of course, if I did so, it would be in the context of a satire. You are so easy to parody, Franko. Fool and Whodini are simply copying your tactics.
Ask yourself, have you ever claimed people said things which in fact they didn't? Remember, the search function will make it easy to prove you wrong. You see, this is what I don't get about you. You set yourself up to be slapped down. Your lies are so blatent and obvious and so easy to disprove. I really think you are smarter than that. You let your anger make a fool out of you. (Sorry Fool )

Or perhaps you will place me on your IGNORE list and then dedicate entire threads in homage to me?

As I have repeatedly pointed out to you, I will never put you on ignore. I need to see what you are doing so I can counter it. I am your nemesis. You cannot beat me. I am older and wiser and trickier than you. The best you can hope for is to outlive me. But to do that, you must control your anger, or you will die of an aneurism at a young age.

Or perhaps you will simply go the De-Bungler/Titanpoo/Elephant route and completely implode before us?

Well, De_Bunk has not imploded. He has always been crazy. UCE had some problems that were not related to the JREF Forums. Titanpoint is doing just fine, as far as I can tell. I am quite fine too, thanks. However, I will be giving you a brief respite. I will have very limited computer access during the holidays, so I will only be able to manage an occasional rasberry. I'm sure you will miss me. Don't worry though. I'll "materialize" again before you know it.

What was this person’s point? I didn’t here them asking any real questions. She just seemed to make a bee line for me and insist that I tell her “something” (god knows what she wanted to hear?).

Then either you weren't listening or else you didn't understand. She asked lots of lucid questions and asked them very nicely, even tolerating you flirting in order to get an answer. What was it that flipped the switch, Franko? What made you change from lothario to lout? Truly, I'm curious.

I like taking out the trash, besides Eternity is a long Time …

I don't doubt that trash is the only thing that would go out with you.

Tricky said
Take a good hard look at yourself and ask, "am I doing something wrong?"
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Franko said
Have You been asking yourself that question lately Trixy?

I constantly ask myself that. If I find something that I am doing offends most people, then I try to find out what it is and modify my behavior. However, if I find sombody who wants to be offended, then I do all I can to oblige them. You're welcome.

You are gentlehorses anti-particle. You dirty his name merely by speaking it.

Hmm. I wonder if Gentlehorse would see it that way. Why don't you ask him? I consider him a friend and a very admirable person. I don't think it is your place to be speaking for him.

See you in the new year. Spend some time working on new material.

 

[Q-Source]

Not only Q-Source, but Latimer, Stimpy and a number of other very intelligent people have simply decided that you have nothing to offer. Or at least, that what you have to offer is not worth the price.

Tricky,

I am almost sure that you wrote in a hurry and did not notice a little mistake that you made.

I have never said (in public or in private) that Franko has nothing to offer. On the contrary, I have said many times that I find his philosophy interesting.

I don´t agree how he behaves most of the time, I utterly disagree when he insults people. Sometimes it makes me feel ashamed.

You know, it is a waste of time, there are so many interesting topics to discuss in this forum. It is ironic that the people who complain about his behaviour is the same people who make threads about him, who follows him around, who starts war flames, etc.

Tricky, you are a nice guy, you are a gentleman. It is also a pity that you waste so much time in this kind of "arguments".

Q-S

 

[wraith]

I utterly disagree when he insults people. Sometimes it makes me feel ashamed.

awww Q-Cumber....

 

[The Fool]

Franko said..

"Are you going to start manufacturing fictitious quotes and attributing them to me so you can continue pretending your delusions are real (like the Fool and Whodini have done)?"

Franko also said

"I like to be spanked by atheists"

"Tlop controls doctor, doctor controls medication, medication controls me"

"Free will is only available to nice moral people like me 'n Jedi"

The Fool said.

" I deny ever deliberately misquoting Franko, I probably just mixed one of his quotes up with something Bethke said, It is sometimes difficult to tell the difference"

The Fool also said.

" I quite like Franko, he makes many valid points and i have never known him to be wrong about anything"

Paul Bethke said

"Frank taught me everything I know"

Franko said.

"I will not do any more dancing until you say please"


Please franko? go back to dancing for my amusement? Tell me the story about heaven, I like that one.

 

[Franko]

So ....

A-Theist Foolaphant, Who do you expect to take you serious any longer in this forum (other than A-Theist fanatics like yourself)???

You are nothing more than a Troll -- by your own admission.

You have no interest or desire in discussing Religion, or Philosophy. You are only interested in Spamming this board with fictitious quotes?

How are your blatent straw-men a valid defense of A-Theism?

If anything I would say that it demonstrates YOU CANNOT defend the things that you want to believe. All you can do is defend your beliefs in a dogmatic logically fallacious manner just like a true Religious fanatic.

How does this make you Non-Religious? It makes you a Religious fanatic of the worst variety. One that will stop at nothing to ensure his dogma is seen as True even when You yourself KNOW it is not.

How do YOUR lies consitute a valid defense of A-Theism? How does your constant deception make you a Skeptic? I would say that it makes you an anti-skeptic -- just a plain old liar (lying A-Theist)

Is making up quotes and falsely attributing them to someone else a valid form of logic in your mind Foolaphant?

 

[Franko]

So Q-Source ...

Remember the other day when i said the Fool "used" you?

What do you think of your little friend now?

Do you agree with his tactics?

Do you believe that it is valid for an A-Theist (at least for one pretending to be a "Skeptic") to make up fictitious quotes?

I mean seriously Source, don't you think there are enough things for us to talk about without making up phoney positions for one another to believe in?

Is lying and making up phoney quotes logical, rational, good, and skeptical in your mind Q-Source???

I know that A-Theists like Loki or Trixy probably would agree with the Fools tactics, but I want to try and gauge how other A-Theists who might actually have a conscience react to this?

 

[Q-Source]

posted by Franko

I know that A-Theists like Loki or Trixy probably would agree with the Fools tactics, but I want to try and gauge how other A-Theists who might actually have a conscience react to this?

I would suggest you to ask some A-theists their opinion. I am just an atheist.

posted by Franko

Remember the other day when i said the Fool "used" you?
What do you think of your little friend now?

My little friend?, why do you say that?. Why are you provoking me Franko?.
It seems that you all are using ME in your flame wars. It is not my style and I won´t take part of it.

posted by Franko

Do you agree with his tactics?

Do you believe that it is valid for an A-Theist (at least for one pretending to be a "Skeptic") to make up fictitious quotes?

I don´t agree with anybody´s tactics. We are adults, most of us realise who has credibility and who doesn´t, who is lying and who isn´t.
It is funny but when you all engage in a flame war, you all behave like children.

posted by Franko

Is lying and making up phoney quotes logical, rational, good, and skeptical in your mind Q-Source???

I notice that you seem to be angry with me and I don´t know why. Are you implying that I endorse that behaviour? . This is what I get for defending your contribution to this forum

Listen Franko, it is not the first time, it won´t be the last one. My advise, don´t take part of it. It is a waste of time.
Some of your "enemies" (we all know who) have lost credibility because of theirselves. You didn´t need to lift a finger against them.

On the other hand, you should be more tolerant towards people who do not agree with your philosophical stance. They feel the same as you do now, when you insult them or misrepresent their positions. Most of them are nice and you treat them as your worst enemy.

I shouldn´t be saying anything. I shouldn´t be wasting my time here.

Q-S

 

[Franko]

Ohh Source,

Don't get all bent out of shape.

The fact is you sided with this Loser last week, and come to find out, he was lying to you all along, just like I said.

So you are mad at me for saying -- "I told you so?"

Don't be so thin skinned Chicky. And, just so you know, the A-Theist Fool fabricating quotes, and CWL and Be-Dungler and Trixy, and all the rest with their shenigans doesn't make me instigating a flame war.

I am just being flamed by these lying, spamming, trolling nitwits. You want to accuse me of being just as guilty is kind of like you blaming a rape victim for being raped. It was Her fault -- She was asking for it.

 

[Loki]

Franko,

I know that A-Theists like Loki or Trixy probably would agree with the Fools tactics,

Hey, how did I get dragged into this!

But since I'm *in* anyway, my only comment is to note that you appear to have some doubt regarding my position. Excellent! Perhaps next year we can have a few conversations in which you consider what I say, rather than just tell me why I'm wrong. Or perhaps not....

... but I want to try and gauge how other A-Theists who might actually have a conscience react to this?

Is it possible for a True Atheist to have a conscience ?

 

[Franko]

Hey, how did I get dragged into this!

Well since you always seem so fond of pointing out that the Knight is a fellow non-A-Theist. I thought it was only fair to return the favor.

But since I'm *in* anyway, my only comment is to note that you appear to have some doubt regarding my position. Excellent! Perhaps next year we can have a few conversations in which you consider what I say, rather than just tell me why I'm wrong. Or perhaps not....

Loki, do you agree with the Foolaphant’s tactics YES or NO? Is it a logically valid argument (in your opinion) to just make up fictitious quotes for the person you are debating?

Does the magic proof of A-Theism involve lying and deceit as the Foolaphant claims? Is lying really the way to prove that something is TRUE and SUPERIOR?

Is it possible for a True Atheist to have a conscience ?

No … A True A-Theist is a Demon, and a Demon has no conscience at all. Fortunately few A-Theists ever achieve enough self-awareness to become Demons.

 

[Loki]

Franko,

I've been advised to give you up for Lent in 2003. Perhaps.

Loki, do you agree with the Foolaphant’s tactics YES or NO? Is it a logically valid argument (in your opinion) to just make up fictitious quotes for the person you are debating?

Hey, an easy question! "No", it's not valid. In fact, it's even worse than inventing opinions for the person you are debating - so I guess that means I rate such behaviour even below your Standard Operating Procedure.

Mind you, I have no idea what the context of this is - if Fool has misquoted you I doubt it was deliberate.

Is lying really the way to prove that something is TRUE and SUPERIOR?

Beginning to doubt your own approach? Only kidding !

Fortunately few A-Theists ever achieve enough self-awareness to become Demons.

Except for Carl Sagan, of course. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and exorcise the last remaining threads of conscience, as I prepare for Demonhood.

Have a good few days Franko - even trashmen need to get out of the gutter occasionally. And a final thought for 2003 from an evil atheist - "less is more". See ya...

 

[Upchurch]

Have a happy, Loki.

 

[The Fool]

Ah Franko no need to cry......have you been misquoted?? Please point out the misquote and I will retract it. You have so many varied positions on free will it is easy to become confused...show me the quote.

while i have you dancing, you may want to offer some further information on the "one free will choice" that you say people have. Thats the one you said I used up deciding to be an evil atheist. How does this free will co-exist with your other "no free will" statements?

also, If I withdraw any misquoteing you can show me, will you stop your usual "so what you are saying is...." line? thats the one where you blatantly inject a straw man version of the question you have been asked. You whine about the difficulty of debating with people when you dodge and duck all attempts to debate.... Don't delay as I'm getting quite bored with you and fee like a break, We should sort this misquote business out before I start ignoring you again.

 

[Franko]

Loki,

My little A-Theist friend …

I've been advised to give you up for Lent in 2003. Perhaps.

… and all along I had thought Lent had no significance to the A-Theists!

Franko:
Is it a logically valid argument (in your opinion) to just make up fictitious quotes for the person you are debating? (YES or NO)

Loki:
Hey, an easy question! "No", it's not valid. In fact, it's even worse than inventing opinions for the person you are debating …

Translation: NO

… so I guess that means I rate such behaviour even below your Standard Operating Procedure.

Translation: SORT OF



Wishy-washy-ness from an A-Theist! Loki, say it isn’t so!

If Fool wants to make up things for me to believe, then he doesn’t need to come to a Skeptics forum to do that. He can imagine that I believe whatever he wants right from his parent’s basement without ever logging onto the Internet to begin with. Then he can imagine that he is debating me and he is kicking my ass. Because in his imagination, is the only way the Foolaphant is kicking my ass.

Mind you, I have no idea what the context of this is - if Fool has misquoted you I doubt it was deliberate.

He was claiming I believed in “free will”. But I am sure you are aware of his claim, you voted in his poll.

Let me ask you this, how many times have you seen our friend Jedi knight making up fictitious quotes and then FALSELY attribute them to the people he is debating? I have a good sense for deception, and I don’t sense that the Jedi has ever been anything BUT honest with me. I guess that is why you have such a problem with him? You are more comfortable around the Fools, CWLs, Trixys, and De-Bunglers of the world???

Except for Carl Sagan, of course. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go and exorcise the last remaining threads of conscience, as I prepare for Demonhood.

Ohhh, I don’t think you have the makings of a good Demon in you Loki. I certainly hope you don’t.

Have a good few days Franko - even trashmen need to get out of the gutter occasionally.

hehehe … I know it is hard to believe Loki, but I like being a trashman … Best job in the Omniverse!

And a final thought for 2003 from an evil atheist - "less is more". See ya...

Yeah … my Goddess keeps telling me the same thing …



You have a good Christmas, my friend. Happy Holidays!

 

[The Fool]

Franko, I quote you a lot, there are a lot of inconsistent quotes to pick from. If I have attributed one to you in error then simply point it out (unless you can't) and I will humbly apologise and correct it.... can you stop crying? and stop using it as yet another diversion from your inconsistent position on free will......
There is no need to cry Franko, tell daddy what happened and i will kiss it better for you.
Have a nice Christmas, hope santa brings you some common sense.