Referendum on Scottish Independence

[Francesca R]

The "a people" comes up because it is the language in the United Nations Charter Article 1 in respect of self-determination. In this context it requires (an internationally recognised) legal definition too. This is one of the matters that was referred to the International Court of Justice in the case of Kosovo which is due to report an advisory opinion in 2010.

The possible approach here is that if Kosovars can be legally designated "a people", then the country has a claim under the UN Charter Article 1 to be recognised as a nation via the UDI route it took (which was made in February 2008)

(Again--relevant to the low-probability event of Scotland UDI)

 

[Architect]

Well I suppose you would need a passport to go to England for one thing.

What, like people in the UK need for Ireland. Ah, no, just a moment, we don't.........

 

[funk de fino]

The "a people" comes up because it is the language in the United Nations Charter Article 1 in respect of self-determination. In this context it requires (an internationally recognised) legal definition too. This is one of the matters that was referred to the International Court of Justice in the case of Kosovo which is due to report an advisory opinion in 2010.

The possible approach here is that if Kosovars can be legally designated "a people", then the country has a claim under the UN Charter Article 1 to be recognised as a nation via the UDI route it took (which was made in February 2008)

(Again--relevant to the low-probability event of Scotland UDI)

If it is illegitimate then why have the English run parties got their knickers in a twist about it? Let us vote and then declare it illegitimate.

We know that won't happen and it's shows you have no idea what you are talking about. You have failed to reply to the list of countries who have declared independence and been recognised by the UN. You want to focus on one case.

And people think we have a chip on our shoulders..................

 

[Francesca R]

I haven't seen you deal with any of my points, so forget about me responding to every random snippet you care to utter.

And people think we have a chip on our shoulders..................

Seems some do

However, Scots are not some monolithic group, mind.

 

[Architect]

No more than, say, the French or Germans. Or the various Yogoslav peoples.

 

[funk de fino]

I haven't seen you deal with any of my points, so forget about me responding to every random snippet you care to utter.Seems some do

My posts refuted your inane blabbering about illegitimacy and the fact you think you know better than everyone about how it will go with a referendum. I know why you will not reply. You cannot. Your claims are bogus.

Please explain why it will be illegitimate and why the UN will not recognise Scotland as independent, bearing in mind the cases I produced? You made the claim and it has been shown to be lacking in evidence or historical precedence.

However, Scots are not some monolithic group, mind.

And?

 

[Francesca R]

You have not followed this part of the thread at all. Fortunately the posts are still available for your persusal.

 

[funk de fino]

You have not followed this part of the thread at all. Fortunately the posts are still available for your persusal.

OK, so you want to ignore the list of countries which declared themselves independent and are still recognised by the UN. It figures you would need to do this.

You made a claim and it is ignorant speculation at best.