Recent developments in UFO 'Abductology'

By using the form, it is presenting itself as science.
By using the form, but not performing the function, it becomes pseudoscience.
 
ufology said:
John Albert said:
That's because they're pseudoscientists with no credibility when it comes to real occurrences in the physical world... bla bla bla
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Well I can see this is going south now. Ufolore doesn't claim to be "scientific" and therefore doesn't fit the definition of pseudoscience. It's just written accounts of events that are alledged to have happened.
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Isn't that what I just said? Just stories. Hence, no credibility when it comes to real occurrences in the physical world.

You can't have it both ways. Either your methodology is capable of producing credible results (that would be science), or it's only capable of promoting and disseminating folklore (that's pseudoscience).


ufology said:
Obviously your bias is kicking in and you're angling for an attack, so there's no point in trying to have a fair minded and rational discussion. Try attacking someone else.
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As I said, my "bias" is toward the end of eliminating all bias, even my own. Believe me, your own bias has been duly noted, and is very well documented within the pages of these forums.
 
ufology said:
More proclaimations without substance or logic in the quote above. Simply telling stories about our personal experiences in no way constitutes pseudoscience. Neither does creating a collection of such stories. Neither does investigating the truth of such stories. Neither does comparing them.
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But once you start extrapolating conclusions about the physical universe from those folk tales (like "UFOs are ET spacecraft"), then you're doing pseudoscience.

From the Wikipedia definition of pseudoscience:
Over-reliance on confirmation rather than refutation

  • Assertions that do not allow the logical possibility that they can be shown to be false by observation or physical experiment (see also: falsifiability)
  • Assertion of claims that a theory predicts something that it has not been shown to predict. Scientific claims that do not confer any predictive power are considered at best "conjectures", or at worst "pseudoscience" (e.g. Ignoratio elenchi)
  • Assertion that claims which have not been proven false must be true, and vice versa (see: Argument from ignorance)
  • Over-reliance on testimonial, anecdotal evidence, or personal experience. This evidence may be useful for the context of discovery (i.e. hypothesis generation) but should not be used in the context of justification (e.g. Statistical hypothesis testing).
  • Presentation of data that seems to support its claims while suppressing or refusing to consider data that conflict with its claims.[44] This is an example of selection bias, a distortion of evidence or data that arises from the way that the data are collected. It is sometimes referred to as the selection effect.
  • Reversed burden of proof. In science, the burden of proof rests on those making a claim, not on the critic. "Pseudoscientific" arguments may neglect this principle and demand that skeptics demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that a claim (e.g. an assertion regarding the efficacy of a novel therapeutic technique) is false. It is essentially impossible to prove a universal negative, so this tactic incorrectly places the burden of proof on the skeptic rather than the claimant.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience#Over-reliance_on_confirmation_rather_than_refutation
 
ufology said:
You crossing out my words and inserting your own are a misrepresentation of my position and clearly out of bounds so far as credible skepticism goes.
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How did I misrepresent your position?

Do you not claim to "know what you saw"? (presumably an alien spaceship and also you were abducted?)

Did you not come to this conclusion without doing any real science?

Why don’t you try addressing the arguments as opposed to the methods of delivery for a change? Otherwise, one might get the impression you’re taking this all a little bit too seriously for your own good and could stand to grow a little thicker skin and a better sense of humor necessary to participate in a healthy discussion in a lively and friendly way…

Despite what you think the good folks here are trying to help you, just as you said you wanted when you came here. It’s up to you whether or not you learn anything from the experience they have to offer in these matters…
 
Case in point in reference to my post above…

ufology said:
...once they start claiming their non-scientific opinions represent scientific proof of their conclusions ... then you may have a legitimate case, provided it is within the right context.
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What you’re claiming (knowledge of ET visitation) is no different from those claiming to have “scientific proof”… look up the definition of science.
 
ufology said:
Access Denied said:
How did I misrepresent your position?
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You crossed out what I had writen and inserted your own words. What more needs to be said.
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Aepervius said:
What's even more funny, is that there was a show from outer limit with an abduction and alien description corresponding to what the Hill wife described under hypnosis and it had aired shortly before. So when you said "episode" I could not help but smirk a bit.
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A copycat trend that continued into the Travis Walton story. It is documented that two weeks prior to Walton's alleged abduction NBC-TV aired a two hour movie featuring the abduction tale of Betty and Barney Hill. Mike Rogers, Travis' boss, who was with Travis at the time of the UFO sighting in Turkey Springs. Did Travis also see this program? Was it the inspiration for the loggers bizarre story?

http://www.debunker.com/texts/walton.html
"Rogers has acknowledged watching the first portion of the movie, the portion that detailed the Hills' "abduction." Klass speculates in his book that "to a man facing two unattractive alternatives on his Turkey Springs contract, the account of the Hills' 'UFO-abduction' could easily suggest a third."
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Aepervius said:
What's even more funny, is that there was a show from outer limit with an abduction and alien description corresponding to what the Hill wife described under hypnosis and it had aired shortly before. So when you said "episode" I could not help but smirk a bit.
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I'm not on my main computer at this time so I don't have access to the url but the Hill's experience is readily explained --

Someone familiar with the region that the Hills "lost time" in, actually drove the same route. It was impossible to drive it any faster than the times they recorded and thus there is no missing time. There is a very bright warning light on a tower on a mountain on the route they took. As you drive the twisty roads involved, it appears to move from left to right and up and down. You have to see it when you drive that route at night. The Hills never mention it.

Add in some invented "recovered" memories based on the Outer Limits show (I actually remember some of the scenes in it even though I only saw it when it was first on -- scarey) and you have Ufology Gold.

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Please keep to the topic of the thread. Thanks.
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Assuming that the abductors do a memory sweep on their abductees, wouldn't proof of abduction be having no memory of the event? Deniers are proof.
 
I know they must have worked me over pretty good, because I don't remember any of it.

Had their way with me, then tossed me out, a wilted flower in yesterday's trash.

That's so like an E.T. They're all the same. All we earthlings are to them are a quick probe, thank you and a memory sweep.

Sometimes it's hard to be an earthling / Givin' all your abductions to just one alien / You'll know what pain is / As Glorg probes your anus / For reasons we're too small-minded to understand... bumpbadumpbadaadumm... Stand by your alien! / etc.

Still, I'll always forget them. :heartbeat::alien004::heartbeat:
 
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blobru said:
I know they must have worked me over pretty good, because I don't remember any of it.

Had their way with me, then tossed me out, a wilted flower in yesterday's trash.

That's so like an E.T. They're all the same. All we earthlings are to them are a quick probe, thank you and a memory sweep.

Sometimes it's hard to be an earthling / Givin' all your abductions to just one alien / You'll know what pain is / As Glorg probes your anus / For reasons we're too small-minded to understand... bumpbadumpbadaadumm... Stand by your alien! / etc.

Still, I'll always forget them. :heartbeat::alien004::heartbeat:
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I'll say it first. They must be from the planet Uranus.
 
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