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Recent climate observations disagreement with projections (PDF) (David R. B. Stockwell, Ph.D. Ecosystem Dynamics)

The non-linear trend in Rahmstorf et al. [2007] is updated with recent global temperature data. The evidence does not support the basis for their claim that the sensitivity of the climate system has been underestimated.
Computer Climate Model Validation has again failed despite the best attempts at mathematical deception by its proponents.
 

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PT is another one that has a lacunae in his ENSO knowledge....it's "inconvenient"..:garfield:

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The irony the irony

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monotone...

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Hey if climate model proponents keep using arbitrary smoothing techniques to fit their conclusions and pad their data you can get any results you want!

The Secret of the Rahmstorf "Non-Linear Trend Line" (Climate Audit, July 3, 2009)

Mac I see we quickly get off topic when the topic is embarrassing to your belief.
 
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DD asked
Is it because the grey lines are dropping towards the end there?

How should I interpret what you have shown?

I answered his question which you failed to do.....always avoiding the obvious peak El Nino to back to back La Nina
THAT ENSO lacunae in your tunnel vision view....
 
Is it because the grey lines are dropping towards the end there?

How should I interpret what you have shown?
That the technique Rahmstorf (2007) used to smooth his data and "prove" the computer climate model's predictions valid falls completely apart once applied to the current data. It has nothing to do with El Nino. Mac has no remote idea what the discussion is even about.
 
it has nothing to do with El Nino.

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So the REAL WORLD La Nina is irrelevant to global temperatures......weren't you the one claiming real world is 100%....

or are you denying La Nina????

retreating to your virtual nits again??
 
Recent climate observations disagreement with projections (PDF) (David R. B. Stockwell, Ph.D. Ecosystem Dynamics)

Computer Climate Model Validation has again failed despite the best attempts at mathematical deception by its proponents.
Your interpretation is incorrect.

Firstly there is no "Computer Climate Model" involved in the paper.
The paper is about the techniques of fitting curves to observational data. Note that the curves stop in 2006 (Rahmstorf et al. [2007]) and 2008.
If you use the curves as "Computer Climate Model Validation" then the fact that all of the curves lie within the IPCC TAR projections validates the climate models used. However I would not do that since the IPCC projections extend beyond 2008 and 2010 - the last year on the diagram.

Secondly there is no "mathematical deception".
Rahmstorf et al. [2007] produced results that projected into the upper part of the IPCC results. This was unexpected so they gave three reasons why their results were at the upper limit. That is not deception. That is scientific honesty.

There is probably a mathematic mistake as David R.B. Stockwell has pointed out that the probable reason for the curves appearing in the upper part of the IPCC results is
Based on the updated trend, Rahmstorf et al. [2007] appears to make a statistical Type I error – mistaking a random deviation for a
significant change.
This is a good example of why peer review is an ongoing process. Many people think that peer review is used to stop obviously bad papers from being published (at least in reputable journals). Peer review actually continues after publishing as people read and analyze the paper, use it in their own work and replicate the results (for experimental and analysis papers - not so much for theoretical papers).

The real issue with the Rahmstorf et al. is that it was used by some people to argue that the climate would change quicker than expected and so action had to be taken immediately. That is politics not science.
 
I happened to notice that the paper discussed an underestimation of the sea level rise, while Stockwell is making an issue about their temperature plot. A little "bait-and-switch" by Stockwell?
The paper discusses CO2 concentrations, Temperatures and Sea-level.
 
P.S. I'm wondering why Dr. Stockwell chose to publish his critique in an energy industry propaganda journal rather than in a science journal.
 
The paper discusses CO2 concentrations, Temperatures and Sea-level.

From Rahmstorf, et al.

Overall, these observational data underscore the concerns about global climate change. Previous projections, as summarized by IPCC, have not exaggerated but may in some respects even have underestimated the change, in particular for sea level.
Sorry if I'm missing the part where they claimed that temperatures are increasing faster than the IPCC projection. Of course, I don't see where they expressed a preference for the "underestimation of the climate sensitivity" hypothesis in their discussion of temperature.
 
I spoke with an actual, honest-to-god climatologist (you know, one of them folks with all that fancy schoolin' and uppity trainin' what think they know so gol-durn much) on Monday. While we didn't get into details (I bet we'll have a chance to speak further in the future), he did say that global warming is real and that the debate is "pretty much non-existant." I assume he has never met PopTech but, should they run into one another, PT would, without question, set him straight. You go, girl...
 
The editor has admitted to pursuing a political agenda. And it isn't listed in the ISI Journal Citation Reports.
The ISI is a subjective listing and owned by Reuters.

I spoke with an actual, honest-to-god climatologist (you know, one of them folks with all that fancy schoolin' and uppity trainin' what think they know so gol-durn much) on Monday. While we didn't get into details (I bet we'll have a chance to speak further in the future), he did say that global warming is real and that the debate is "pretty much non-existant."
I've done the same and the debate is real, only that when they actually debate, the alarmists lose.

Here you can read all about it from some real climatologists:

Climate Science: Is it currently designed to answer questions? (PDF) (Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT)

Climate of Extremes: Global Warming Science They Don't Want You to Know (Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology ; Robert C. Balling, Ph.D. Professor of Climatology)
 
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PopTech, are you aware that most journals, including Science, have a "letters" section and that the normal procedure if you've spotted an error in someone's paper is to submit a letter to the journal? If you actually look at journals, you will often find letters taking issue with something that was published in the journal (along with a response from the author of the original paper). Why do you think that Dr. Stockwell published his critique in a magazine that many readers of Science might not know even exists?
 
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I suggest reading the above information as that procedure is not so easy if you are challenging predetermined science.
 

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