"Rebellion brewing" in GOP base

Right, but the Goldwater run coincided with the idea of fusionism on the right, and while it was very much something Goldwater was uncomfortable with, I think his defeat signalled to the fusionists that their way was the way to go, culminating in Reagan.

I think Capel was saying that the genesis of this coincided with Goldwater, rather than it being a Goldwater concocted idea.

EDIT: Good artifcle here: http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/fp8.cfm and the Feser article at the bottom of the wiki link is worthwhile as well.
 
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Whiplash said:
I have to admit, there is a sick part of me that would love to see Jeb Bush run, even knowing he'd lose, just because I think it would be highly entertaining to watch the conniptions and nervous breakdowns that would ensue.
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Just imagine what the GOP primaries are going to be like. I expect much entertainment :).
 
Praktik said:
I listened to that whole Wright speech. In context ":God Damn America" made sense to me: he said it directly after referring to the japanse internment camps, slavery, and the native american genocide.
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Only a liberal would think, "Well, in that case it's alright to say 'God damn America!"
 
Brainster said:
Only a liberal would think, "Well, in that case it's alright to say 'God damn America!"
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I don't understand how the simple categorization of a political thought is a demonstration of well... anything.

You haven't really accomplished anything other than saying "that idea is 'liberal'". I guess its the fruits of the binary American political system at work, but to us outsiders - understand these labels may not carry the same currency.

I understand what you were saying, having exposed myself to your politics quite deeply: that my viewpoint is representative of the effete, arugala-eating, big-spending, America-hating, gun-taking, foreign-car-driving, homo-hugging, liberal ideology That Is Destroying America From Within.

Probably not accurate though.

As an outsider, my understanding of "God Damn America" is rather more strongly rooted in the fact that as a non-citizen of your country, I lack the predisposition to defend its honour at all costs and consider its national symbols sacred.

Therefore, Wright's speech represented no special blasphemy to me - and in the dramatic tradition of Black orators, and in the context of the discriminatory and cruel chapters of America's history that preceded it, Wright's yelling of "God Damn America" made sense to me.
 
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Praktik said:
I don't understand how the simple categorization of a political thought is a demonstration of well... anything.

You haven't really accomplished anything other than saying "that idea is 'liberal'". I guess its the fruits of the binary American political system at work, but to us outsiders - understand these labels may not carry the same currency.

I understand what you were saying, having exposed myself to your politics quite deeply: that my viewpoint is representative of the effete, arugala-eating, big-spending, America-hating, gun-taking, foreign-car-driving, homo-hugging, liberal ideology That Is Destroying America From Within.

Probably not accurate though.

As an outsider, my understanding of "God Damn America" is rather more strongly rooted in the fact that as a non-citizen of your country, I lack the predisposition to defend its honour at all costs and consider its national symbols sacred.

Therefore, Wright's speech represented no special blasphemy to me - and in the dramatic tradition of Black orators, and in the context of the discriminatory and cruel chapters of America's history that preceded it, Wright's yelling of "God Damn America" made sense to me.
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Of course. And America never did anything good either, like saving Europe from the iron boot of Hitler, or giving a good life to the downtrodden masses. Whether you're a European leftist or an America liberal, it's all the same; America is a great source of evil in the world and must never be defended.

I see slavery and racism as things that America has worked hard to overcome; indeed when I visited Europe in the 1970s I was actually surprised at how commonly words like "n-gg-r" were used even by apparently sophisticated people, who thought it amusing that I was offended by it.
 
Brainster said:
Of course. And America never did anything good either, like saving Europe from the iron boot of Hitler, or giving a good life to the downtrodden masses. Whether you're a European leftist or an America liberal, it's all the same; America is a great source of evil in the world and must never be defended.

I see slavery and racism as things that America has worked hard to overcome; indeed when I visited Europe in the 1970s I was actually surprised at how commonly words like "n-gg-r" were used even by apparently sophisticated people, who thought it amusing that I was offended by it.
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I'm actually Canadian. AS such I have a healthy respect for a lot of things America has done - I enjoy in many of the benefits America's existence allows for. I admire a lot of things about America and its history. I could list them but allow me to simply assure you that this is so, my dinner is nearly ready.

I just don't love America, or put it on the national pedestal nearly all people around the world place their country. And therefore the warts you can't see in the mirror are a little more obvious to me - and I feel no self-consciousness in admitting they are there.
 
Brainster said:
Of course. And America never did anything good either, like saving Europe from the iron boot of Hitler ...
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They did what now, when Britain stood alone but for the Canadians and ANZACS and the right sort of South Africans? They all piled in straight-off, no hesitation. Much appreciated.
 
Brainster said:
Only a liberal would think, "Well, in that case it's alright to say 'God damn America!"
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And it appears that only a conservative doesn't understand why internment camps, slavery, and genocide are wrong.

Ooh, do let's play partisan politics. Your turn.
 
CapelDodger said:
The religious cry of "God damn America" is an American tradition.
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{singing}
God damn America
Land that I loathe
Just deride her
And chide her
With the light
From the right's
Dimmest bulbs.

NOTE: This post is meant for parody and humor purposes only. Do not attempt to infer any of my actual political positions from same.
 
Tricky said:
{singing}
God damn America
Land that I loathe
Just deride her
And chide her
With the light
From the right's
Dimmest bulbs.

NOTE: This post is meant for parody and humor purposes only. Do not attempt to infer any of my actual political positions from same.
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Nominated :)
 
Oh this is priceless.

In his talk show, Rush Limbaugh says of the rebellious Republicans of the National Council for a New America:
"Something else you have to understand is these people [The NCNA] hate Palin too," the conservative radio host said Monday. "They despise Sarah Palin, they fear Sarah Palin, they don't like her either. She's, according to them she's embarrassing."
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A few hours later, Palin joins the NCNA. Of course, it could be a cunning plan to make sure that Democrats don't accuse Rush of being the titular head of the Republican Party again.

Frankly, I don't know if this is good for the NCNA or not. Palin may have been mischaracterized, but she came off as being everything that the NCNA is trying to put behind them. Except for the "being a woman" part.
 
"Challenges" that have resulted from 8 years of republican presidency (with 6 years of congress)
 
pgwenthold said:
"Challenges" that have resulted from 8 years of republican presidency (with 6 years of congress)
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That's a tricky point inside the big NCNA tent. I expect the NCNA to bland into the background within months.

Limbaugh, on the other hand, will still (health willing) be screeching his True Republicanism to a wide and rapt sudience. There's a battle on for the "Republican" tag, and it's looking like a rout from out here.

It's terribly entertaining. From a distance.
 
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