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"Real" vampires.

simonmaal said:
I like the line: "We are (obviously) separate from the human race."

Sounds very similar to the kind of garbage spouted by followers of White Supremacist movements.
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Actually, most of the "real vampires" that I've known tend to go more for the sort of line repeated over and over again in the old tv show Kindred. "I'm not quite human, but I am a part of nature."

Not quite the sort of thing that a white supremacist says, but definitely getting close.

Of course, most of them claim that they don't believe that they are inherently superior to other people...and then you get the whackjobs that claim they are hundreds of years old and are truly immortal beings, superior to all mankind. This was the case with a guy I grew up with. After high school, I didn't see him for a few years. Finally, I ran into him at university - he was enrolling just as I was finishing my undergrad work. Our conversation went like this:

thomps1d: "Hey, B---- (name deleted for privacy reasons)! How's it going? I see you've got the whole goth thing going on now."

B----: "My name is no longer B----. I have reclaimed my true name. I am Raziel Lestat, born in the year 1666 to a noble family. This is my true heritage, not the name I have thrown off."

thomps1d: "Uhhh...yeah....you see...I grew up with you, so I know that's complete BS."

B----: "I did not 'grow up', as you say. I merely assumed the guise of a child growing to adulthood to fool the hunters who have persecuted me through the years."

thomps1d: "My parents told me they had dinner with your parents just last week. You'd think they'd be aware of that sort of thing."

B----: "I used my vampire powers to cloud their minds. They genuinely believe that I am their son...deluded fools!"

thomps1d: "Vampire powers, eh? Something like 'these are not the droids you are looking for'?"

B----: "Wha? Shut up, that is totally not what I...uhhh...that is to say, I would never lower myself to the quaint trickeries of such debased entertainment. No, my power is from a far greater source."

thomps1d: "Does it rhyme with 'meth addiction'?"

B----: "..."

thoms1d: "Or does it rhyme with something more like 'I'm a freaking loser who needed to feel special, so I took a name comprised of one half video game character, one half poorly written pulp fiction vampire name'?"

B----: "I'm totally going to kick your ass."

thomps1d: "With your vampire powers? Oh, wait...I'm getting something now...some meddling in my head...these are not the droids I am looking for."

B----: "Jerk."
 
Unfortunately, I know at least one who's in his late 40s, early 50s, and is aging rather poorly; but he still clings to the 'vampire' identity.

So, no, some people never snap out of the delusion.
 
Well, they have testable claims. They claim to have better reflexes than us humans. I say we put them in the room and throw baseballs at them and see if they perform better than average. It may not discourage them, but at least we get to hurl objects at their heads.
 
LOL thomps :D

Such delusions as you reported are a feature of narcissistic personality disorder. Thus, these kind of statments are usually made by people who have a sense of superiority.

I once met someone who started going on about similar nonsense, that he's been around for thousands of years, been through hell etc, that Zeus has been killed :jaw-dropp. I made my excuses and quickly left...
 
simonmaal said:
LOL thomps :D

Such delusions as you reported are a feature of narcissistic personality disorder. Thus, these kind of statments are usually made by people who have a sense of superiority.

I once met someone who started going on about similar nonsense, that he's been around for thousands of years, been through hell etc, that Zeus has been killed :jaw-dropp. I made my excuses and quickly left...
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That is almost as funny as the time I was dropping a patient off at a secure psychiatric facility, a woman walked up to me and said "they are holding me here against my will", my thought was "yea that is what they do here, that is why it is a secure facility" she did not confirm her sanity when she went on about the abuses they where putting her through, they made her drink from the drinking fountain and it had bubbles, instead of the sink at the nurses station that didn't. Why this mattered I have no idea.
 
Gbob said:
Well, they have testable claims. They claim to have better reflexes than us humans. I say we put them in the room and throw baseballs at them and see if they perform better than average. It may not discourage them, but at least we get to hurl objects at their heads.
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A better test would be to give them a huge tumbler of human blood and if they drink it they can call themselves whatever they want. 'Cause I'll be out of there.
 
ponderingturtle said:
That is almost as funny as the time I was dropping a patient off at a secure psychiatric facility, a woman walked up to me and said "they are holding me here against my will", my thought was "yea that is what they do here, that is why it is a secure facility" she did not confirm her sanity when she went on about the abuses they where putting her through, they made her drink from the drinking fountain and it had bubbles, instead of the sink at the nurses station that didn't. Why this mattered I have no idea.
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:D I like it.

Actually, you've made me think of something here. I wonder how many practitioners of the occult, weird therapies and other such rot are deluded rather than deliberately deceptive. You know, they believe the voices in their heads so much that they can come across as very persuasive; a paranoid schizophrenic can be absolutely convinced that God told them to kill someone. And then there's the story of Evangelist preacher Franck Kabele, who believed he could walk on water and proceeded to repeat the miracle after God told him to. I still don't think they've found his body.
 
Cuddles said:
I'm almost scared to ask - what? Please tell me this really isn't someone just tipping a table.
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Of course not. It's spirits tipping the table. It's only coincidental that people have to be touching the table for it to happen.

At least one magic couple (the Andersons? maybe? from Canada) do this extremely well as part of their act. Of course, there's a bit more to their bit than just having the table lean a bit or levitate three inches.

I don't think they're vampires.
 
simonmaal said:
LOL thomps :D

Such delusions as you reported are a feature of narcissistic personality disorder. Thus, these kind of statments are usually made by people who have a sense of superiority.

I once met someone who started going on about similar nonsense, that he's been around for thousands of years, been through hell etc, that Zeus has been killed :jaw-dropp. I made my excuses and quickly left...
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Considering this page, about the site-maker being so well-known and respected that people try to pass themselves off as her, I think you're spot on with the NPD diagnosis.
 
simonmaal said:
Such delusions as you reported are a feature of narcissistic personality disorder.
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I don't think that's quite accurate. NPD is more like what you see in the "Funny, fighting woo with more woo" thread over in the Science forum.

This vampire thing doesn't strike me as quite so identity-deficient. The vampire folks know who they are, they just aren't happy with it. Unlike the NPD victims, who need external authorities to construct an identity.

I emailed the vampire girl in the link about her page on Magick and the JREF challenge. Deafening slience, of course.
 
Yahzi said:
I don't think that's quite accurate. NPD is more like what you see in the "Funny, fighting woo with more woo" thread over in the Science forum.
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I was thinking of the following criteria from DSM 4:

1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

3. Believes he (sic) is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him (sic)

Of course, any personality disorder does rely on social interaction style as a disgnostic tool. But you have to agree that the above 4 criteria are quite apparent.
 
simonmaal said:
Of course, any personality disorder does rely on social interaction style as a disgnostic tool. But you have to agree that the above 4 criteria are quite apparent.
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Yes, they are. But you need to go read the thread I mentioned. It's the most blazing example I've ever seen. Kinda reset my calibration on the issue. :D

Vampire-girl seems too self-aware and functional to deserve the diagnosis. I would characterize her as merely pathetic, not crazy.

I am geninunely curious to see if your opinion changes after exposure to the other thread. Also, I don't have my DSM-IV anymore, so does it say anything about levels or stages? Is it possible to have mild form that causes you to act on web pages, as opposed to the full-blown form that causes you to wind up in court?

(Edit: I'm not sure Vampire-girl qualifies on #2 and #3. I didn't really see #2 there, just a desire to be unique. And she seems quite adamant that ordinary people can understand vampires, and shouldn't care very much about them.)
 
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They are LOSERS, that's all that's needed to understand why they believe what they beleive.
 
Gargoyle said:
I use this to rub salt in their wounds! :D

http://www.warehouse23.com/item.html?id=W23-1001S
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Or.....Browning combat modified shotgun, 12 gauge , shells loaded with silver balls microetched with religious symbols and magnesium pellets blessed by legitimate priest of appropriate religion. Ingram or Uzi, 40 rd mag, cartridge cases loaded with oak and ash bullets, tipped with small inserted vial of holy water sealed with silver, modified spring for slower cycling with reduced powder content to be sure bullet stays in body. Just in case.:D :D
 
Gbob said:
Well, they have testable claims. They claim to have better reflexes than us humans. I say we put them in the room and throw baseballs at them and see if they perform better than average. It may not discourage them, but at least we get to hurl objects at their heads.
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A room full of jocks throwing balls at their heads probably helped send them along the vampire route in the first place.
 
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