Clancie said:
What's the thread called? I can't get the link.
Oh, for the love of...
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Compare: a JE reading and a cold-reading
<Cantata> 24.90.212.207 06-25-2002 02:19 PM
First, the JE reading:
==> My comments
John: I'm ready to begin. I'm in this area. I don't think I'm with you, (pointing to someone) unless you guys know eachother. I've a male figure who's coming through that would be husband or brother, but it's a male figure that's coming through in this area. So it's gotta be the husband/brother figure over here. Do you understand this?
==> "Unless you guys know each other"? JE is making his guess dependent on the relations of two sitters, and NOT from the spirits.
==> "Male figure, husband, brother or husband-brother "type". Which means any male figure.
Woman: Yes.
==> Not a hit. Sitter is merely acknowledging that she understands what JE is saying.
John: Is that with you?
==> Fishing for information. This is in no way spirit communication!
Woman: Um hmm, husband.
==> Seems like her husband has died. How old is this woman? Is she old enough to have a dead husband? Unknown.
John: Who's crossed?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Yes.
==> Not a hit. Sitter is providing the information, not JE.
John: Okay, if you can just say yes or no. I also want to acknowledge that there's some type of either block party or some type of street fair or house party like where everybody's partying outside in the street. Did he do this, or was he involved with this?
==> Who hasn't? Sheesh, I have gone to these many times a year, in both Europe and the U.S.
Woman: No.
==> But not this one. A miss.
John: Are you sure?
==> Huh?? JE is pressuring for validation - a secure hit turns sour.
Woman: Yes.
==> Confirmation of a miss.
John: (looking askance) I'm gonna disagree with ya! (laughter) Where's Anthony?
==> Oh, no? He sure disagrees with people at times!!
==> Tony the Camera Man. "Not Tony, but Anthony". JE uses this a lot,for a reason: Anthony is the 22nd most common male name in the US.
Woman: Anthony's my brother, passed.
==> A half-hit. JE never says anything about the relation the sitter has with Anthony.
==> Additional information given by sitter: Brother is dead.
John: Anthony's here with him, because he's telling me to acknowledge Anthony. And Ralph.
==> Not a hit! Sitter has just told JE that Anthony is dead.
==> Ralph, being the 62nd most common male name...
Woman: Well my name is Raphaeli. They called my husband Ralph. Some people did. His name was Frank.
==> The last name cannot be considered a hit.
==> I would question the validity of a sitter who claims a husband being called "Ralph", him being a Frank. Why would people do that?
John: Wait a minute! YOUR name is Raphaeli and they called HIM Ralph?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: No no, no no. Our last name was Raphaeli, but a lot of people called him Ralph.
==> Repeating her last statement.
John: Okay, cause I'm hearing "Ralph".
==> So he says....
Woman: It's Frank, his name was Frank.
==> Sitter actually denies her previous statement?
John: Well, he's coming through as Ralph to me.
==> And we all know JE is not wrong, ever...
Woman: (laughs) Okay.
==> Not an admission, sitter is merely acknowledging that JE says this.
John: Okay, I don't know what he means by this. I have to interpret this as either a street feast, a festival, a block party, but he's acknowledging the festivities in the street, where cars would normally be parked. He's got me at some type of street festival or street fair. He's telling me to acknowledge that either YOU have the older sister who's passed, HE'S got the older sister who's passed, or he's with mom, but he's got older female who's there. He's putting a big "V" over the family which means that somebody has the "V" name, okay? Because he's telling me to acknowledge the "V", and he's also making me feel that the month of June is his birthday, your birthday, but there's a celebration in the sixth month, which would be a happy birthday or congratulations in June.
==> Elaborating on the previously denied "street feast, festival" lead. Including cars (obvious!), too.
==> JE is asking for: Sitter's older dead sister OR husband's older dead sister OR husband's dead mother. Further widening the field by saying ANY older female is with him.
==> JE does not qualify at all who has a V-name. Could be living, could be dead.
==> June can be husband's birthday, sitter's birthday or simply a "celebration" - any birthday or congratulations. June is, of course, the month where a lot of students graduate, giving reasons to celebrate.
Woman: No.
==> Not one single hit!
John: Uh, yes! (making a funny face) (audience laughs)
==> Didn't JE just claim he wouldn't disagree with the sitter? He turns a *series* of misses into a joke on the sitter. Nice...
Woman: No, I have a party coming up, but there's not a street fair.
==> Sitter tries to fit the information. Also, gives information in the process.
John: No, there's some type of street thing. There's some type of festival. There's something that he wants me to acknowledge that he was part of, he planned, YOU were part of, YOU planned.
==> Keeps on pressing for the street thing....
Woman: Oh, it was a Memorial Mass Parade, just last week.
==> A hit? In the sense that Memorial Day is pretty well known...
John: For him?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Well, for deceased members of an American Legion Post, yeah.
==> Sitter providing a LOT of information in one sentence!
(John turns, laughing, to a member of the stage crew who had just handed him a microphone and said....) "You should not have given this to me at this moment." (laughter) "This can be hurled!" (more laughter)
==> Making fun of people. Nice....
Woman: Well, I could throw it back! (still more laughter)
==> Turning the tables. Not much psychic amnesia here, eh?
John: Street fair! Street festival! No, seriously, you marched in a parade in honor of people who have passed? (laughter) Who has the family of seven?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Uh, I'm one of seven.....but there's no "V"!
==> A hit. Families a few decades ago were much larger than today.
John: There is!
==> Insisting that he is right!
Woman: (looking very sheepish) Yeah, my Aunt Vera -- I was talking to her yesterday. (laughing) She lives in California! Yes.
==> Aunt Vera (who could be on the sitter's side, and not the husband's side)! More information given by sitter: Aunt Vera is alive, well, and lives in California!
John: He's also telling me that either your anniversary just passed or there's like a wedding anniversary that he's telling me, OR an anniversary of a death that just passed. He's acknowledging a red rose. Do you understand that?
==> In a family of this size and age, there is BOUND to be something that can fit into this!
Woman: Yes.
==> Technically not a hit, though: Sitter is agreeing that she understands what JE is saying.
John: Was that his?
==> Guessing - JE might have seen a facial expression. We don't know.
Woman: (touching her throat and clearly fighting back tears) Yes....today.
==> Lucky hit!
(audience responds sympathetically)
John: And I'm sorry to be personal, but did you bury him with his mother?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Same plot.
==> It's not uncommon to be buried with your family.
John: What does that mean? Same cemetary?
==> A plot is a much smaller area, yet JE can't help widening the field....
Woman: Yeah, same plot.
==> Confirmation of what sitter just said.
John: Okay, then they're together. He's showing me a big bouquet of pink roses. When I see that, that's their way of expressing their love to you, so he's passing this on. He's asking about your foot or your ankle, so I don't know if you're having a problem with it now, but he's acknowledging the foot or the ankle.
==> "Then they're together" is not a hit.
==> Pink roses again. Non-committal, yet comforting.
==> Foot or ankle problems are common in elderly people. Their bones get weaker, especially in women.
Woman: (Laughing) I broke a couple of toes a couple of months ago. (Sounding a bit worried) What else does he see?
==> Figures....
(John makes a face like, you SHOULD be worried, to tease her, audience laughs)
==> JE doesn't answer.
John: He wasn't a big hugger?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Yes, he was.
==> A clear miss.
John: I don't know if he's trying to tell me that the thing that you had the--the thing that bothered you most about his passing--not THE thing, but ONE of the things, is that you didn't get a chance to hug him goodbye.
==> Who gets a chance to really say goodbye?
Woman: True.
==> An expected hit.
John: Okay, he's telling me to acknowledge, "Here is a hug for ya!" (audience reacts with a big AW) Alrighty? Thank you!
==> Sure, hubby can hug! Sitter told JE!
(John goes up into the bleachers and gives the woman a big hug)
==> How cute...
POST ANALYSIS
Woman: Ralph--yes, a lot of peole made the common mistake of thinking his name was Ralph because two reasons, our last name, and also our office was located on Ralph Street. Still is. We were both big huggers, but towards the end he was in too much pain, you couldn't even touch him. So that, that was--it was lost. The last part was lost. I came here today, I have to admit, very skeptical. But I am no longer skeptical.
==> Whoa, TWO connections! Nobody calls me by the streetname I live on, though...
==> Skeptical? She would be more skeptical, if she could read the transcript. Extremely few hits, LOTS of fishing and many misses.
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<Cantata> 24.90.212.207 06-25-2002 02:20 PM
Then, the cold-reader (Neil's script).
==> My comments
READER: The spirits are giving me mixed messages... I'm seeing a William or a Bill, and what looks like a whole bunch of border collies. Let me know if I'm on the right track, but this message could be for someone else entirely.
==> William (most Williams are called Bill) is the 5th most common male name. No specific relations are suggested.
==> Border collies is pretty specific.
==> The common excuse that it could be for someone else.
SITTER: I do have a Bill in my life , no border collies though...
==> Pretty vague: "in my life".
==> Dogs a miss.
READER: I'm seeing three children, or at least three who are like children to you. Who would they be? And Bill, he wouldn't be your husband?
==> Widening the field: Sitter's two kids could have a very good friend, or one kid could have two very good friends.
==> Fishing for information about the relation of "Bill".
SITTER: How do you know how many kids I have... yes Bill is my husband and yes I have 3 kids do tell more, any deceased loved ones?? let me know who they are and what they have to say that is what I am truly curious about...please
==> A good hit! Bill AND three kids.
==> Sitter professes the will to believe and to fit information.
READER: Remember, I'm not in control of the information I'm getting so the people who you want to hear from might not be the ones who actually come through. As long as you work with me we can make this reading go so much better.
==> Common excuse: If something goes wrong, it sure isn't the reader's fault!
==> A not-so-subtle hint that if the sitter wants anything out of this, she'd better cooperate!
READER: I'm sensing that the 5th of the month or the month of May has a great significance. I'm also seeing a D-n name, so that would be like a Daniel, Donald, Dylan, Donna - who would that be?
==> JE uses the "5"-trick a lot.
==> JE also uses this two-letter combination or sound-alike. "Daniel" is the 12th mostcommon male name, "Donald" the 15th, "Dylan" is 546 and "Donna" the 17th most common female name.
READER: Do you like to ride? I'm definitely seeing a Harley Davidson - y'know Easy Rider-type stuff - but maybe you have a connection to a Harley as a person's name instead. Either way there's a free spirit personality associated with that.
==> "Ride" can mean in a car, a bike, a motorbike, a train, a horse, a rollercoaster. Probably some more.
==> The "Harley" is widened to be a person as well.
==> "Free spirit" is the final option, should all else fail.
READER: I have an older male with me - he's showing me the letter "P" and telling you not to worry so much about the house and about money. He knows you've had your problems in recent times, but he wants to let you know that there's a much better spell ahead financially. Do you understand that?
==> "Older male" can mean anybody, "P" can mean anything and worrying about the house is for *every* house owner.
==> Who hasn't had "problems in recent times"?
==> The "financial" promise is just that. Not a hit.
SITTER: My sons name is Dylan, and his birthday is in may and my older son was born on the 5th, also I do have an older p name does he tell you more,, the Harley is my husband and I-and I have a niece Hailey.. kinda the same .. come to think of it not just my husbands name is Bill but my cousin who passed name is Bill,, you know things that only my husband and I know... so you have me at 70% believing right now...
==> "Dylan" is a hit (three other very common names)
==> Sitter fits the unqualified "May" connection.
==> "Older son" is NOT a hit - the "older male" the reader is talking about is "with" him and showing him "P" - ergo the older male is dead.
==> "Harley" is a hit - albeit unqualified, and from either a bike, name OR "free spirit".
==> "Hailey" is a stretch, and an indication of how far the sitter will go to make the information fit.
==> Cousin "Bill" *could* be the "William" first mentioned, but why should we attach significance to that, and ignore the miss with the border collies?
==> What does the reader know that only the sitter and her husband knows??
READER: No, it's not your niece Hailey, the Harley is an acknowledgement of you and your husband. I can tell there has been a lot of romance in your marriage. Was there a time though that you had lost your wedding ring or you weren't wearing it?
==> Reader simply restates what sitter has said.
==> "A lot of romance" is something everybody wishes for.
==> Losing one's wedding ring is not very uncommon.
READER: Tell me more about the "P" person they're telling me to acknowledge and what is that connection to the older male? He's asking me to teasing you about the Italian food (like it's your favorite or something).
==> Looking again for the "P" person. Could be a first name, could be a last name.
==> The "older male" was the husband or maybe the cousin, and he has a P connection?
READER: On a personal note, I'm also sensing back when you were younger I can see some kind of illness, an injury or an accident - not a normal minor childhood thing, but something serious. I seem to sense your parents and people around you were more concerned at the time then they needed to be because everything turned out OK in the end.
==> Kids get hurt or sick, sometimes seriously.
SITTER: Yes I lost my wedding ring- WOW YOUR SPOOKING ME OUT!! AND THE P name is my godfather-uncle, yes I love Italian food, yes a lot of romance and still madly in love with my husband ..but yaw know.. family stuff. Dont remember ever being sick when I was little , did break a leg , and knocked a tooth out my mom cried all day... you had asked about a Daniel and Donald, my uncle Danny passed away when I was young, and Donald is my brother in law in Virgina , how could you know please for sanity sake tell me more!!!
==> Lost wedding ring: A hit.
==> P-name is sitter's godfather-uncle (which is NOT on her husband's side!), so the "Bill" connection must be the cousin.
==> Italian food is very popular, but we never hear about why the uncle should tease the sitter about it.
==> "Lot" of romance? How much is a "lot"?
==> Childhood illness: A miss. A broken leg and a knocked-out tooth is hardly cause for excessive concern.
==> "Danny" is made into a triple-hit now (from the D-n guess): First, it was "Dylan", now the connection is ALSO "Daniel". As well as Donald, the brother in law. But the reader did not mention 3 connections. Sitter is trying to fit the information.
==> Sitter provides information: "Virginia".
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Did you read the whole thing?