RBG leaves the stage.

turingtest said:
Trump is such a goddamn idiot. Does he really not understand that "I want this judge on this court in time to make a decision in this case in which I have a direct interest" is the quiet part he wasn't supposed to say out loud?
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Why not? He openly says he appoints people and makes deals with people because he is so susceptible to flattery, and doesn't even bother pretending he does so because his appointments are well qualified or the deals he makes with dictators are good for the US as a whole. He literally runs his White House as a parody of a corrupt king.
 
Mumbles said:
Don't care. I'm uninterested in such sentiments from a sociopathic white supremacist.
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Elagabalus said:
They are hypocrites. They know that they are hypocrites. And they just don't care. The only people who care about being labeled a hypocrite are between 12 and 17yrs. old. Did your parents care when you accused them of being a hypocrite? Well! Did they? Now go to your room!
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One thing that will never be mentioned about Ruth "Based" Ginsburg in the prestige press is that she did not practice what she preached in regards to promoting diversity. Steve Sailer pointed out that over her 40 year career as a judge RBG hired only one black law clerk out of a total of ~ 150. When it came to hiring law clerks she was all about meritocracy. But when it came to white working class firemen she was all about diversity. RBG was part of the dissent in the 2009 Ricci vs. DiStefano affirmative action case.

"The white firefighters who scored high on New Haven’s promotional exams understandably attract this Court’s sympathy. But they had no vested right to promotion. Nor have other persons received promotions in preference to them."

Translation: Firefighting should not be based on merit especially if it leads to promoting too many white men. However, who I hire as a law clerk should absolutely be based on merit. I can't have morons working for me.

Diversity, you see, is how rich white smarmy liberals attack and punish the white working class whom they hate. But diversity is never meant to apply to them. This is why no one should ever take anything liberals say seriously. It is all an intellectual and moral sham.

Steve Sailer: "Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a human biodiversity race realist about hiring for the kind of jobs she knew best — law clerks (for which she only hired 1 black out of ~150)."
 
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tanabear said:
Steve Sailer pointed out...

[whine, whine, whine]
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Steven Ernest Sailer is an American journalist, movie critic, white nationalist, and columnist. He is a former correspondent for UPI and a columnist for Taki's Magazine and VDARE, a website associated with white supremacy, white nationalism, and the alt-right.

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Steve Sailer can go **** himself.
 
angrysoba said:
Steven Ernest Sailer is an American journalist, movie critic, white nationalist, and columnist. He is a former correspondent for UPI and a columnist for Taki's Magazine and VDARE, a website associated with white supremacy, white nationalism, and the alt-right.

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Steve Sailer can go **** himself.
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Agreed. And yet RBG's hiring practices and judicial opinions are what they are. Attacking Sailer is not the same as attacking his claims.

Now that you've finished signaling your anti fascist virtues, will you actually address the argument?
 
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theprestige said:
Agreed. And yet RBG's hiring practices and judicial opinions are what they are. Attacking Sailer is not the same as attacking his claims.

Now that you've finished signaling your anti fascist virtues, will you actually address the argument?
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No. "You support diversity but you are hypocrtical, whereas I support White Power and I'm totally consistent" is the argument of an *******. It's always more difficult to do the right thing perfectly than it is to do the wrong thing consistently.
 
The right move for Dems is not to pack the SC, but to double the size of the Federal Bench: for one to neutralize Trump's muppet-judges there, but also to force the Far-right SC to rule against good judgement.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The right move for Dems is not to pack the SC, but to double the size of the Federal Bench: for one to neutralize Trump's muppet-judges there, but also to force the Far-right SC to rule against good judgement.
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Yes, there's that as well. I have to question how far it'll go, as Biden is very much a traditionalist, into "That's the way we do things" just-so matters as far as procedure goes.

But yes, this is true even before factoring in the dictator-bootlicking white supremacists that comprise the modern GOP politician. There's simply far more caseload than there used to be.

Given the modern GOP leadership, it simply becomes more necessary to reform the entire system.

As for the white supremacists in this thread...y'all can argue with them as you please, but these efforts rarely bear fruit.
 
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theprestige said:
Agreed. And yet RBG's hiring practices and judicial opinions are what they are. Attacking Sailer is not the same as attacking his claims.

Now that you've finished signaling your anti fascist virtues, will you actually address the argument?
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What IS his argument?

He doesn't support his claim with any hard data. He just goes on about the virtues of Paul Watford, who also would not have been considered by the U.S. Senate. The headline put on his ... thing was interesting:

Just How Black Was RBG's One Black Clerk?

Nothing is said about "how black" Watford was.

Sailer doesn't even call Ginsburg a hypocrite - it's all sneering innuendo, an ad hom against someone who can't defend herself.

Look at the comments on the thing and see if they don't make you want to take a hot shower with green soap and steel wool. Unfortunately, this is the base of the Republican Party. If there's going to be one-party rule, hell yes I would rather have Democrats over this bunch.
 
Mumbles said:
Yes, there's that as well. I have to question how far it'll go, as Biden is very much a traditionalist, into "That's the way we do things" just-so matters as fart as procedure goes.

But yes, this is true even before factoring in the dictator-bootlicking white supremacists that comprise the modern GOP politician. There's simply far more caseload than there used to be.

Given the modern GOP leadership, it simply becomes more necessary to reform the entire system.

As for the white supremacists in this thread...y'all can argue with them as you please, but these efforts rarely bear fruit.
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I'm guessing typo?
 
The US justices system is a messed-up to almost beyond repair.
We need to massively expand the judiciary while at the same time de-criminalize a much as possible to get a handle of the situation.
Going to court instead of pleading-out cannot be rare exception in a nation with the Rule of Law.
 
Dr. Keith said:
The problem is that Democratic voters do care about these things.

ETA: I was reading Dems in your last para as Dem Politicians. Rereading I see that you could be calling out all Dems which makes my post seem silly and redundant. Luckily I'm comfortable with that and will just leave it there.
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Yeah, I was talking about Democrats in general. I'd include everyone who isn't a GOP voter actually.

The correct response to all GOP and their voter objections should, right now, boil down to 'screw you'. They have no honor, and refuse to have any standards. Until they start holding their politicians to account, 'what they will do' if the Dems get tough just doesn't factor in. They'll do whatever they please no matter what they claim they care about or what the Dems do.


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Yes, there's that as well. I have to question how far it'll go, as Biden is very much a traditionalist,
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Ironically one of my biggest criticism of Biden, him having to be dragged kicking and screaming to firm reform and changes, actually helps mitigate some of the criticisms of these actions by the GOP. Biden gives people the impression that the anti-democracy crowd is forcing his hand. Because they are. Not 'the radical left', but the bad actions of the deplorable right, are what have driven many of his police change moves.
 
Craig4 said:
Trumptrash are second-class citizens by their choices, not by their births. There's nothing wrong with being a bigot against traitors.
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See its comments like that which are slowly but steadily causing me to lean towards Trump, even though I don't like him at all.

If anything, this whole thread has got me thinking maybe it is important to vote for Trump, although I swore to myself I never would due to his poor environmental stance, far too liberal economic policies, and absolute failure to handle covid correctly.

But as bad as he is overall, the supreme court is also important. Here we could get both a much more intelligent person as well as being actually conservative, rather than Trump's more like a Democrat style of creating racial tensions, tribalism, and proclaiming bigotry is ok if it they are on the correct side of the "us vs you" dynamic.

I would even go so far to say that if there is any traitor to the ideals this country was founded on present, it would be the one proclaiming any kind of bigot is ok.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
I would even go so far to say that if there is any traitor to the ideals this country was founded on present, it would be the one proclaiming any kind of bigot is ok.
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one of the Founders would agree with you.

Is argument for voting for Trump really that the other side is being mean?
Do you have any sense of what right-wingers call Dems every single day?
 
Red Baron Farms said:
See its comments like that which are slowly but steadily causing me to lean towards Trump, even though I don't like him at all.
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There is a clear difference, though, between judging someone by the choices they consciously made, and judging them based solely on who their parents were. The poster Craig4 was responding to was trying to conflate the two.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
See its comments like that which are slowly but steadily causing me to lean towards Trump, even though I don't like him at all.

If anything, this whole thread has got me thinking maybe it is important to vote for Trump, although I swore to myself I never would due to his poor environmental stance, far too liberal economic policies, and absolute failure to handle covid correctly.

But as bad as he is overall, the supreme court is also important. Here we could get both a much more intelligent person as well as being actually conservative, rather than Trump's more like a Democrat style of creating racial tensions, tribalism, and proclaiming bigotry is ok if it they are on the correct side of the "us vs you" dynamic.

I would even go so far to say that if there is any traitor to the ideals this country was founded on present, it would be the one proclaiming any kind of bigot is ok.
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Bigotry is prejudging people according to things they can't control. When we see them behave in a manner meant to harm others, for little more than the fun of it, that's just "judgement", and whining makes them sound no different than a rapist sitting in prison whining about "all those people who get to walk around freely while I'm stuck in here".

If you choose to also run around and raping people just because people are saying "rapists are terrible people", then you can jolly well go to prison too.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
one of the Founders would agree with you.

Is argument for voting for Trump really that the other side is being mean?
Do you have any sense of what right-wingers call Dems every single day?
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Oh I do and I also am not happy at all about Trump and his divisive tweets and speeches. Certainly we could have done much much better in the nomination process. Which BTW is why I did not vote for Trump the first time around. The first time in my life I did not vote for the Republican presidential candidate.

But the Supreme court thing is important to me. And hopefully whoever gets nominated will be much much much more reserved and intelligent than Trump, and stay on the court much longer ... Well past Trumps direct influence. It may be important to vote Trump, just to make sure a conservative justice gets in.

I am still undecided, but I am leaning towards NOT voting Trump, unless I see Dems trying to stop the process or this whole stacking the court idea gets traction. Then I might be forced to vote Trump as the lesser of two evils. Either way I won't be voting Biden, that's certain.
 
Red Baron Farms said:
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But the Supreme court thing is important to me. And hopefully whoever gets nominated will be much much much more reserved and intelligent than Trump, and stay on the court much longer ... Well past Trumps direct influence. It may be important to vote Trump, just to make sure a conservative justice gets in.
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given the abysmal level of qualification of other judges Trump has nominated, and looking at his favorite ACB, I fear you won't get your wish: two years on the bench doth not make for a great Supreme Court Judge.
 
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