RBG leaves the stage.

theprestige said:
Leaving aside the accusations of dishonesty for a moment: Do you think she actually made that statement? Do you think that statement should be a consideration in filling the vacancy on the bench?
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Yes. It is consistent with her actions. There was a report ...from NPR, IIRC? ...that she didn't retire during Obama's term because she anticipated Clinton winning and she like the symmetry of having a female President (and, possibly, another Clinton) nominating her successor. Further, she doggedly refused to step down, despite all her fights with cancer, during Trump's term.

So, yeah, it seems highly likely for her to say and believe something like that.


eta: Spending moments looking, I found this: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Disses Trump, Hints She Wants Clinton to Name Her Successor
 
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Upchurch said:
Yes. It is consistent with her actions. There was a report ...from NPR, IIRC? ...that she didn't retire during Obama's term because she anticipated Clinton winning and she like the symmetry of having a female President (and, possibly, another Clinton) nominating her successor. Further, she doggedly refused to step down, despite all her fights with cancer, during Trump's term.

So, yeah, it seems highly likely for her to say and believe something like that.
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I'm inclined to agree. It certainly seems plausible on its face. What about my other question? Do you think it should be taken seriously?

The way NPR describes the scene - "dictated a statement" - suggests to me that RBG herself thought it should be taken seriously. Is that how you read it?
 
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It already is. Understanding that this is a fact of life would be a great help to Democrats facing decades of a hostile federal court system.

We got here by the GOP selectively ignoring or destroying historical norms that defined the way the government worked.

Democrats, if they get the chance, have to do likewise else they will not be able to reshape the government. A big part of that is accepting that the courts have become political and end the norm that the Court is given what amounts to total deference.
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Exactly. The GOP is fighting the match using weapons and every dirty trick in the book. The democrats have to do the same. Instead, when the democrats do decide to kick the GOP in the nuts, they GOP cries "fowl" and the democrats go back to fighting by the rules.
 
Upchurch said:
Yes. It is consistent with her actions.
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Actually. She probably just said "**** it, let the GOP destroy the nation. I don't care because I'm dying and I love Trump."

At least, this is what Prestige is implying.
 
For me "Don't stoop to their level" isn't a moral argument. It's much more "Don't stoop to their level because you aren't going to be nearly as good at it as they are."

The Democrats not being able to beat the Republicans politically so they start mudslinging is like me losing to Mike Tyson at Chess to I challenge him to a boxing match because I have to "stoop to his level to win."

There's a reason dirty pool is "their level." They are good at it.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Actually. She probably just said "**** it, let the GOP destroy the nation. I don't care because I'm dying and I love Trump."

At least, this is what Prestige is implying.
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Not at all.

I'm implying that I'm interested in seeing whether anyone will defend the statement as being important for deciding whether to fill the vacancy.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Actually. She probably just said "**** it, let the GOP destroy the nation. I don't care because I'm dying and I love Trump."

At least, this is what Prestige is implying.
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Trump is a God. Only fitting that his followers start creating Last Minute Death Bed UL's around him.
 
theprestige said:
The way NPR describes the scene - "dictated a statement" - suggests to me that RBG herself thought it should be taken seriously. Is that how you read it?
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It’s a deathbed wish. She probably would have liked to be taken seriously, yes. Whether she expected it to be respected, we’re talking about Trump’s GOP. When are they respectful of anything?
 
Upchurch said:
Yes. It is consistent with her actions. There was a report ...from NPR, IIRC? ...that she didn't retire during Obama's term because she anticipated Clinton winning and she like the symmetry of having a female President (and, possibly, another Clinton) nominating her successor. Further, she doggedly refused to step down, despite all her fights with cancer, during Trump's term.

So, yeah, it seems highly likely for her to say and believe something like that.


eta: Spending moments looking, I found this: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Disses Trump, Hints She Wants Clinton to Name Her Successor
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I do wish she'd made her wishes publicly known. After all, it's not like she didn't have a clue at to what was coming.
 
Only in Trumpland would the 'leader' (cough laugh cough) of a 'country' (cough laugh cough) put into question the last dying words of a well-respected individual because said dying words aren't to his its liking. And only in same said Trumpland would his its minions then follow his its lead with "Yeah, how do we know that's what she actually said? Pelosi probably told her what to say. Fake news!"
 
thaiboxerken said:
Actually. She probably just said "**** it, let the GOP destroy the nation. I don't care because I'm dying and I love Trump."

At least, this is what Prestige is implying.
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No, no, she said "I love Mr. Trump and I know he'll do what's best for America."

At least that'll be the next Trump tweet.
 
Yes. Whether or not her granddaughter lied about the dying words of a Supreme Court Justice is now a conversation we'll have to have and we'll all pretend that is perfectly normal.
 
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The US system doesn't leave room for a SC Judge to get invovled in their successor.
Though that might have been what happened with Anthony Kennedy.
 
So dumb question. Why is "Chief Justice" this distinct, separately appointed position instead of just like the most senior member of the Court?
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
The US system doesn't leave room for a SC Judge to get invovled in their successor.
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Unless one of them comes back as a ghost and strangles all the nominated successors until an acceptable replacement is found. That was the plot of an X-Files episode. Also a Mama's Family episode.
 
Who cares about this sort of dying wish? What if it were her wish to keep abortion legal? Is that a good pro-choice argument? "While on her deathbed, RBG wanted abortion to be legal, so it should be legal." Would we care about Scalia's dying wish? Or Trump's?

A meaningful dying wish is about where she wants to be buried, or what heirs should do with her fortune, or how they can honor her legacy. But if she wants the Yankees to win the World Series, then the Dodgers aren't ******** for refusing to roll over.
 
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