RBG leaves the stage.

Lindsey Graham tweets

The two biggest changes regarding the Senate and judicial confirmations that have occurred in the last decade have come from Democrats.

Harry Reid changed the rules to allow a simple majority vote for Circuit Court nominees dealing out the minority.

Chuck Schumer and his friends in the liberal media conspired to destroy the life of Brett Kavanaugh and hold that Supreme Court seat open.

In light of these two events, I will support President @realDonaldTrump in any effort to move forward regarding the recent vacancy created by the passing of Justice Ginsburg.
 
“I want you to use my words against me. If there’s a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said let’s let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination."
 
Here's an article about the Reid changes. There is definitely a certain amount of irony in Graham citing it as a reason to push forwards with a majority.

I don't think any additional context is requires for Kavanaugh.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump has said he will next week nominate a woman to replace the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, escalating a political row over her successor.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54216710
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Oh goodie. Now he (with Mitch's help) is going to dredge up some terrible harridan throwback who thinks women these days should defer to their husbands and the girls all dress like whores, and we get to have round after round of gotcha-Lib discussions because Conservatives think that Liberals' support of women is just their own misogyny in reverse, and wilfully won't understand (because they ideologically can't understand without being flaming hypocrites) when they're told it doesn't work that way, and Trump, Mitch or Witch will say something new and infuriating every time they need to pull the media focus off the election.

I need to find a nice cave somewhere to hibernate until 2021 once I mail off my ballot. This year blows.
 
Amy Coney Barrett (currently a Federal Judge on the United States Court of Appeals, 7th Circuit) or Barbara Lagoa (currently a Federal Judge on the United States Court of Appeals, 11th Circuit) are the names that keep coming up.
 
angrysoba said:
I think people are saying she should have retired back in 2012 or 2013 when the Democrats had the presidency and the Senate.

In those days, who knew it would be Clinton vs Trump? Absolutely nobody. If she had waited until the 2016 election then we know what would have happened. McConnell would have just blocked her successor.
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Yep - the people whining that it's her fault are essentially demanding **** she acquire the ability to see and change the future - obvious foolishness.

If you want a list, first is Mitch McConnell, whose naked struggle for power and white supremacy since Obama's election has all but ruined US democracy.

Second is the US electorate - both those that voted for Trump, and those who could have voted in 2016, but didn't, out of asinine idealism or a complete misunderstanding of how the US works. For the latter group, Jimmy Dore and Susan Sarandon are obvious, and famous, examples, but they clearly are not alone in their Underpants Gnome plans to achieve universal healthcare access. Hell, I'll even throw in Marc Lamont Hill - a black guy, just for the sake of argument.

*third* are the more craven US senators, such as Lindsay Graham, who will go along because they don't want to anger their now delusional base.

RBG? Nah, she lasted longer than anyone had a right to ask her to.

As for me, I figured this would be the outcome long ago, and got involved starting the day after DOTUS was elected. I've said before that I don't do marches, but that doesn't mean I don't work phones, educate younger people, and so on. My personal suggestion?

First, white people are going to have to suffer, and realize that it's their own chosen leaders causing their suffering. Sorry, but White VotersTM, as a brand name, are really ruining their own health and finances by voting for the GOP, and have been for...what, 70-75 years now? Since 1980 at the very latest, in any case. Y'all really need to talk to your people.


Styep 2? Vote for dems, when you can, in almost all cases. I mean, if the dem in your local race is clearly unfit (and I don't mean "He fumbled a sentence OMG he's in late-stage dementia!!!", but if he's a child rapist, an obvious and malicious bigot or some other such dangerous attribute), that's a special case.

Third? Get more involved. The current GOP is hellbent on making sure nonwhite people (and by extension, younger adults) can't vote, so you're going to have to take up the slack on this one.
 
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Trump Tweets

I gave no choice!
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@GOP We were put in this position of power and importance to make decisions for the people who so proudly elected us, the most important of which has long been considered to be the selection of United States Supreme Court Justices. We have this obligation, without delay!
 
Each and every appointment is critical. The republicans get this. They've played long game. Just look at the ages of the appointees. Unlike Bill Clinton.

That's all it takes to Gileadize the country. One strategic blunder.
 
Trump and his republicans will push through a SCOTUS justice before the election. This will ensure a Trump "re-election" as they will have the SCOTUS declare Trump the winner because they know that this election will go to litigation, and will make sure it goes to litigation.
 
Puppycow said:
David Souter retired in 2009, ensuring that Obama would pick his replacement. He was replaced by Sonia Sotomayor.
John Paul Stevens, another liberal justice, retired in 2010. He was replaced by Elena Kagan.

Ruth could have retired at the time and ensured that her replacement would be a liberal, but she chose not to. She chose to roll the dice and she lost, thus leaving the choice of her replacement to Donald J. Trump and a Senate controlled by Republicans.

If Roe is overturned, it will be her fault for not retiring when she had a chance.
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Oh brother. :rolleyes:

Of all the people to blame...
 
thaiboxerken said:
Trump and his republicans will push through a SCOTUS justice before the election. This will ensure a Trump "re-election" as they will have the SCOTUS declare Trump the winner because they know that this election will go to litigation, and will make sure it goes to litigation.
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This is nonsense. Trump can't appeal to the SCOTUS to change the election outcome unless it comes down to some controversy in one or two states. And it won't.

He can't challenge the outcome in a dozen states. It doesn't work that way.


This reminds me of the Nixon controversy. Before he was impeached there were many many people who were sure he would declare Martial Law to stay in office. It never happened. And Trump can't do that either.

I remind you as far as military support, Trump might have a few police departments and the border patrol. The Department of Homeland Security relies on contracted militia so add whatever army remains of the Eric Prince Blackwater legacy. Beyond that Trump burned bridge after bridge with hiring and firing Generals. Remember, he's all bluster and it's been fake since since long before he became POTUS. This is the idiot who pretended to be someone else so he could call the tabloids and brag about his sexual exploits. He claims he's a billionaire when in all likelihood his debt exceeds his assets. No banks would loan him money, that suggests he has a negative bottom line.

We just need to be sure Biden wins by well over 270 EC votes and that it doesn't come down to a one state decision.
 
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I'm pretty sure Trump has a Democrat screaming "But you can't do that!" at him set as his alarm to wake up in the morning.
 
Ruth had a good run, longer and on a higher path than any of us will ever achieve.

But we can follow her example, and never give up.
 
Earlier I argued that Trump has an incentive to delay the confirmation until after the election. While I still think that's true, another approach, which seems to be the one Republicans are taking, is that the nomination gets through, and "values voters" STILL have a strong incentive to support Trump because Democrats will "pack the courts." That's definitely the angle the pro-life lobby should take because one in the hand is better than two in the bush.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Amy Coney Barrett (currently a Federal Judge on the United States Court of Appeals, 7th Circuit) or Barbara Lagoa (currently a Federal Judge on the United States Court of Appeals, 11th Circuit) are the names that keep coming up.
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Trump picked Kavanaugh over her and Raymond Kethledge in 2018, so when he says a woman I think it's going to be her.

But Lagoa might be a political useful choice for Trump if he wants to throw any undecided Florida Cubans a bone.

It's interesting. Knowing Trump he just might do that.
 
Cain said:
Earlier I argued that Trump has an incentive to delay the confirmation until after the election. While I still think that's true, another approach, which seems to be the one Republicans are taking, is that the nomination gets through, and "values voters" STILL have a strong incentive to support Trump because Democrats will "pack the courts." That's definitely the angle the pro-life lobby should take because one in the hand is better than two in the bush.
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The current tactic seems to be to tease the nomination of members of groups who's vote Trump needs in November, such as the Florida Cubans (Barbara Lagoa).

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Cervelo said:
Let us have a country that continues to be somewhat recognizable / consistent with the founders and their intentions / worldview - and the leftists can go forward with their completely unrecognizable country that would absolutely horrify all Americans, especially the founders, from 1776 - 1995 or so.
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That would be a wonderful thing, but after the leftist ran out of money they would just be the next wave of illegal immigrant's.
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Man, you guys really wank to totalitarian rightwing theocratic state. As if it would be good place to live for anyone not being in 1%. :rolleyes: That you think such third-world backward ****hole will fare better than modern 1st world country just shows how delusional you are.

Puppycow said:
Ruth could have retired at the time and ensured that her replacement would be a liberal, but she chose not to. She chose to roll the dice and she lost, thus leaving the choice of her replacement to Donald J. Trump and a Senate controlled by Republicans.
If Roe is overturned, it will be her fault for not retiring when she had a chance.
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Hindsight is 20/20. What you say now is worthless in this context.
 
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