"...Nonsense. First of all, this entire memo thing serves as a diversion from Bush's DESERTION of the TANG."

As already pointed out in the many, many, threads shooting down that claim, DESERTION is a felony criminal charge.

If you have, or even know of, any real evidence relevant to that criminal charge and you are witholding it, you are a criminal yourself.

But we can safely assume that you you have no such information, and instead are making up statements you know to be untrue, and posting them on a skeptics forum as trollage.

SOOOO... why is it OK for you to ressurect a topic that has been debunked ad infinitum, but you doth protest too much when other people ask valid question in order to make up their own minds about the candidates?

Hmmmm?
 
Dorian Gray said:
2) Why, in light of the above, is Rather dismissed as a fraud when Bush is the second biggest fraud in history? (Hint: WWII resulted from the biggest fraud.)


Would you care to explain what this bit above means?
 
NoZed Avenger said:
Would you care to explain what this bit above means?

Our resident conspiracy theorist probably bought into the "FDR knew of Pearl Harbor in advance" nonsense as well as the "Bush stole Florida" nonsense.

That's the problem with conspiracy theories: once you believe one, you tend to believe them all.
 
He sold Americans on the war in Iraq based on lies, misdirection, and oh yes, there was a fake document in there as well.

I see where you folks stand, though. All liberal gotchas are lies, and all conservative gotchas are absolutely true. Also, all conservative flip-flops are actually changing minds based on new information, while liberal flip-flops are glad-handing people-pleasing tactics.

It is a fact that all the reasons the Bush admin has given for invading Iraq are lies. The only one that is not a lie, fighting terrorism, is instead a self-fulfilling prophesy.
- Powell said in a speech in February 2001 that UN sanctions against Iraq were working in halting its development of WMDs. Most damning statement: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction." Less than a year later, the Bush administration did a 180 and suddenly proclaimed that Iraq was chock full o' WMDs.
- Powell also tried to float a document that "proved" Iraq was trying to get uranium from Nigeria. This document was later proved to be false. "Rumsfeld appeared before the (Senate Armed Services) committee a day after the White House acknowledged that President Bush's claim in his State of the Union speech that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa was based on forged information." http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/World/iraq030708_wmd.html (Did Corplinx start 7 threads on this forgery, I wonder?)
- Rice said in April 2001 (thanks to Demon): "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country...We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." Again, less than a year later she had completely changed her mind.



- Rumsfeld :"The coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq's pursuit" of weapons of mass destruction, Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "We acted because we saw the evidence in a dramatic new light — through the prism of our experience on 9/11." Hmm. Really? http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/05/30/international1153EDT0556.DTL
European critics of the Iraq war expressed shock Friday at published remarks by a senior U.S. official playing down Iraq's weapons of mass destruction as the reason for the conflict.

In an interview in the next issue of Vanity Fair magazine, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz cited "bureaucratic reasons" for focusing on Saddam Hussein's alleged arsenal and said a "huge" reason for the war was to enable Washington to withdraw its troops from Saudi Arabia.

"For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on," Wolfowitz was quoted as saying.

He said one reason for going to war against Iraq that was "almost unnoticed but huge" was the need to maintain American forces in Saudi Arabia as long as Saddam was in power.

Those troops were sent to Saudi Arabia to protect the desert kingdom against Saddam, whose forces invaded Kuwait in 1991, but their presence in the country that houses Islam's holiest sites enraged Islamic fundamentalists, including Osama bin Laden.

Within two weeks of the fall of Baghdad, the United States announced it was removing most of its 5,000 troops from Saudi Arabia and would set up its main regional command center in Qatar.
...
"Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government," he said. "It's been a huge recruiting device for al-Qaida. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door to other positive things."
Wow. Bush and co are friends with the Saudis, and want to stop causing them trouble, so they look at the evidence in a dramatic new light — through the prism of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ - and start a war for a fake reason.

Should I keep going? These are documented, not just mindlessly repeated talking points like the majority of your comments. I have or can get lots more.

Some "skeptic" you are, Mr. Pot.
 
He sold Americans on the war in Iraq based on lies, misdirection, and oh yes, there was a fake document in there as well.

Once again the regurgitation of appeaserology. A lie is an intentional false statement. You appeaser flakes love to cut and paste your mythochronology, but I've never heard one of you, not once, prove that Bush's statements were a lie, that is the intentional telling of a falsity. Instead, you endlessly repeat your mental masturbatory cut and paste ritual, with lotsa facts, dates, quotes, links, punctuation marks, and blather -- but at the end it all sums to one thing: you've never proven that he lied. :D
 
Dorian Gray said:
He sold Americans on the war in Iraq based on lies, misdirection, and oh yes, there was a fake document in there as well.

I see where you folks stand, though. All liberal gotchas are lies, and all conservative gotchas are absolutely true. Also, all conservative flip-flops are actually changing minds based on new information, while liberal flip-flops are glad-handing people-pleasing tactics.

It is a fact that all the reasons the Bush admin has given for invading Iraq are lies. The only one that is not a lie, fighting terrorism, is instead a self-fulfilling prophesy.
- Powell said in a speech in February 2001 that UN sanctions against Iraq were working in halting its development of WMDs. Most damning statement: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction." Less than a year later, the Bush administration did a 180 and suddenly proclaimed that Iraq was chock full o' WMDs.
- Powell also tried to float a document that "proved" Iraq was trying to get uranium from Nigeria. This document was later proved to be false. "Rumsfeld appeared before the (Senate Armed Services) committee a day after the White House acknowledged that President Bush's claim in his State of the Union speech that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa was based on forged information." http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/World/iraq030708_wmd.html (Did Corplinx start 7 threads on this forgery, I wonder?)
- Rice said in April 2001 (thanks to Demon): "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country...We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." Again, less than a year later she had completely changed her mind.



- Rumsfeld :"The coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq's pursuit" of weapons of mass destruction, Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "We acted because we saw the evidence in a dramatic new light — through the prism of our experience on 9/11." Hmm. Really? http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/05/30/international1153EDT0556.DTL
Wow. Bush and co are friends with the Saudis, and want to stop causing them trouble, so they look at the evidence in a dramatic new light — through the prism of bulls**t - and start a war for a fake reason.

Should I keep going? These are documented, not just mindlessly repeated talking points like the majority of your comments. I have or can get lots more.

Some "skeptic" you are, Mr. Pot.

Excellent post.
 
It is a fact that all the reasons the Bush admin has given for invading Iraq are lies.

Not really. As the 9/11 commission made clear, first, Bush almost certainly honestly believed the reasons he gave were true--and he had good reason too, since the CIA and foreign intelligence services believed it too. Rather and Moore, on the other hand, know damn well their "evidence" is amateurishly faked, but lie anyway.
 
corplinx said:
Despite Dan Rather admitting that the memos "can't be authenticated", I still hold on to the possibility of them being genuine because I heard there were typewriters back then that could do it. I also still refuse to examine any overlays done with IBM selectrics versus those done with word.


It ain't easy being in denial anymore......

Next up, Dubya apologises to the people of America for being stupid enough to believe forgeries about Iraq buying uranium from Africa.
 
Skeptic said:
It is a fact that all the reasons the Bush admin has given for invading Iraq are lies.

Not really. As the 9/11 commission made clear, first, Bush almost certainly honestly believed the reasons he gave were true--and he had good reason too, since the CIA and foreign intelligence services believed it too. Rather and Moore, on the other hand, know damn well their "evidence" is amateurishly faked, but lie anyway.

I honestly believed the fortune teller when she told me the lottery numbers for last weekend.
 

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