Rape Victim Taught a Lesson
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Puppycow
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It is. Maybe you should issue a fatwa, say like a 100 lashes?
Quad4_72
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Not a bad idea. Eye for an eye.
No it's a crap idea - the punishment mete out to her was barbaric, doing the same to someone else would also be barbaric.
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Yes, but at least they deserve it. She didn't. (And you're still right. There must be a better way to handle it).
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I have come a long time ago to accept that the world is unjust, and no matter what horrible thing you can imagine, someone will actually do it onto another human being. And no matter how much disgusted I am the world will continue to turn.
So yeah. Disgusting. But nothing will come out of it, and more likely than not it will happen again.
The way I see it , what we have in the western first world, is an exception in history, and geographically. I betcha it is also only transient, and as soon as energy production and economy take a dive, if there is nothing to maintain our wasteful way of life, no new energy source like fusion, such horror will happen more often in our society, returning to the same barbarism level as the rest of the world.
So yeah. Disgusting. But nothing will come out of it, and more likely than not it will happen again.
The way I see it , what we have in the western first world, is an exception in history, and geographically. I betcha it is also only transient, and as soon as energy production and economy take a dive, if there is nothing to maintain our wasteful way of life, no new energy source like fusion, such horror will happen more often in our society, returning to the same barbarism level as the rest of the world.
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Are you suggesting that poor energy production and economy are the causes of incidents like this? Cause I would say it has much more to do with Islamic fundamentalism ....
I can understand your sentiment but I still have to disagree, no one deserves to be "punished" in such a way. And I put punished in quotation marks as this type of action shouldn't be called punishment in any civilized country for any type of crime.
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Actually, those who did this to her actually do deserve to have 100 lashes, so there's that.
And then have the death penalty applied, for murder, should they survive the lashes.
Stop respecting religion, as it just encourages the bastards. Mock it through freedom of speech and of the press. That's what works*.
And, apparently, is what's been made illegal in certain countries. Supposedly free countries.
We need to be able to mock religion.
* The book Superfreakonomics details a one-man crusade to mock via exposure the KKK, over the course of several decades turning it from a fearsome force to little more than a good ol' boys' bitch club.
And then have the death penalty applied, for murder, should they survive the lashes.
Stop respecting religion, as it just encourages the bastards. Mock it through freedom of speech and of the press. That's what works*.
And, apparently, is what's been made illegal in certain countries. Supposedly free countries.
We need to be able to mock religion.
* The book Superfreakonomics details a one-man crusade to mock via exposure the KKK, over the course of several decades turning it from a fearsome force to little more than a good ol' boys' bitch club.
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I once suggested this to some people I know and they thought I was insane.
Ignorance, fear, and superstition drive people to do unimaginably cruel things.
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Aepervius
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Islamic fundamentalism shows a certain type of barbaric punishment.
In our countries [ first world ] culturally there were other type of punishment, for other crime. Burning alive a 5 year old is no less barbaric than lashing a 14 year old rape victim (although i will admit it (ETA the low age) was not widespread and might have been a single case).
What I mean is that barbarism seems to be the "usual plat du jour" no matter the culture until it reach a point of well being.
So if energy contraction force a lot of us to drop in wealth, my gut feeling is that the barbarism would come back under another form. Maybe some sort of pogrom. Who knows.
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Aepervius
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I think ignorance and superstition are enough, and more often than not superstition seems to be a consequence of ignorance. So ignorance alone is enough to lead to a situation like above.
As for sanity, I used to question mine, nowadays I tend to think that yes, the world is insane, and sanity is actually the exception rather than the rule.
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The article said nothing about the guy that did the rape.
In disgusting fundamentalist Islamic countries the prevailing attitude is, I guess, Allah gave him permission to rape the unprotected girl. She was above the haram age limit, and should have expected it, after all.
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I remember a couple years ago there was a story in Somalia about some men being convicted of gang rape. They were giving a sentence of "caning"...which actually only amounted to them being hit with thin reeds over their clothes. The men were actually laughing and joking as they were being hit.
This was contrasted to the case of a 13 year old girl in Somalia who, a year or two earlier, had been stoned to death as punishment for being gang raped.
I don't really know how you come to the conclusion that being raped is a worse crime than raping someone. My *guess* is that the assumption is that the girl must have done something which drove the men to rape her, so the blame ultimately lays with her. Or maybe its just that being raped dishonors your family/community, while raping someone, for whatever reason, does not. So the girl has to be murdered but not the rapists because she's the only one whose continued existence brings dishonor and shame to their community. I've heard news stories about women in Islamic fundamentalist communities who were raped who were either murdered by their families or told they needed to commit suicide, in which the girl was not considered to be "at fault" for the rape... but she still needed to die to uphold the family honor.
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There's a lot to the economical environment and fundamentalist violent barbaric religions, as in the Islamic countries.
When there are sufficient consumer goods for most of the population to be fed, enough jobs, health care, the appeals to the Big Sky Daddies drop to the level they are in the civilized world... The jerk/priest/preacher/rabbi/mullah/jerk can be shouting all kinds of hell and damnation, but he's easily switched and sane people can go about the business of living and not worrying about the barbarity of religious oppression.
The acts of stupidity we discuss here can be broadly-brushed to the influences of which religion and promoters in those economically depressed areas where it is -normal- for religions to be monstrous.
When there are sufficient consumer goods for most of the population to be fed, enough jobs, health care, the appeals to the Big Sky Daddies drop to the level they are in the civilized world... The jerk/priest/preacher/rabbi/mullah/jerk can be shouting all kinds of hell and damnation, but he's easily switched and sane people can go about the business of living and not worrying about the barbarity of religious oppression.
The acts of stupidity we discuss here can be broadly-brushed to the influences of which religion and promoters in those economically depressed areas where it is -normal- for religions to be monstrous.