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[tsig]

You are simply echoing what I say. The reason the 1993 bombing was conducted was to create an excuse for the remodel wherein thermite was applied to at least 15 vertical feet of any columns that were available. That was done because the thermite if applied in a narro strip would simply floe downwards without remaining on the vertical face of the columns long enough to sever them.

RDX was used in cutting charges in the upper floors and installed as a part of construction.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383

However trying to do that when you can only get to one face in the basement levels will not work. Hence the reason for thermite.



You apprently have to overgeneralize to think. The tower was concrete and steel. The concrete was dealt with by encapsulated RDX and the steel was dealt with by thermite (except for custom high performance cutting charges in the floors in upper floors)



There was molten steel. That is why the fires continued for a month.



Where did you get that nonsense?

I have stated that vibration detectors could be used to initiate the basement blasts.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1205439

Or proximal radio transmissions/receptions which would explain why Rodriguez states that the man he rescude emerged from a basement stiarway saying "explosions" just before impact. It is also shown that there were blasts on the opposite side of WTC 2 seconds before impact.



It appears as though you have just been debunked by evidence linked from your own words.

Do you want fries with that?

 

[Anti-sophist]

During the "collapse", the dust outside the tower looks to be at least as big as the tower. So the volume of the dust is 52,000,000 cu ft. If the dust is 10 percent as dense as steel, this means all of the mass was converted to dust. We see some steel left over at the end, so this can't be right. Especially considering that the "dust" fell almost as fast as the steel, indicating that it is very dense.

This thread has all the makings of an instant-headache generator.

Estimating turbulent heterogenous gas/solid mixtures acting as a liquid, and doing crude calculations like this... is a recipe for fun.

For a guy who doesn't really have a handle on Newton's three laws, I'm thinking this can't turn out well, Truthseeker.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

If the dust isn't significantly dense, then why does it fall so fast? I observe large quantities of dust that falls almost as rapidly as does steel. I repeat my challenge. Can we not get a handle on the density of the dust via its fall time? Fall time in air is directly indicative of surface area-to-mass ratio.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

If the dust isn't significantly dense, then why does it fall so fast? I observe mass quantities of dust that falls almost as rapidly as does steel. I repeat my challenge. Can we not get a handle on the density of the dust via its fall time? Fall time in air is directly indicative of surface area-to-mass ratio.

Oh, NOW you grasp that concept?

Piles of small particles, the size of pebbles or sand, fall almost as fast as larger stones and look like dust from a distance.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Oh, NOW you grasp that concept?

Piles of small particles, the size of pebbles or sand, fall almost as fast as larger stones and look like dust from a distance.

Right. And a cubic meter of sand is around the same mass as a cubic meter of rock.

 

[CptColumbo]

Oh, NOW you grasp that concept?

Piles of small particles, the size of pebbles or sand, fall almost as fast as larger stones and look like dust from a distance.

Didn't Galileo cover this awhile ago?

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Didn't Galileo cover this awhile ago?

Galileo was jailed because his observations conflicted with the official story.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Didn't Galileo cover this awhile ago?

Yeah, but there's such a thing as drag.

 

[CptColumbo]

Galileo was jailed because his observations conflicted with the official story.

So...You think he was wrong?

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Galileo was jailed because his observations conflicted with the official story.

The primary difference between you and Galileo is that Galileo was right. He had clearly demonstrable evidence. You have jack.

 

[R.Mackey]

If the dust isn't significantly dense, then why does it fall so fast? I observe large quantities of dust that falls almost as rapidly as does steel. I repeat my challenge. Can we not get a handle on the density of the dust via its fall time? Fall time in air is directly indicative of surface area-to-mass ratio.

Yes, you can calculate the terminal velocity of a small object (e.g. dust particle) using Stokes' Theorem.

If your "dust" fell "almost as fast as steel," then the dust should all be lying on the ground after about 15 seconds, right? Strange definition of dust you're using.

Anyway, my estimate, using air that contained 60% dust by mass, is quite high, and even I don't believe it. You postulated dust that was denser than rolls of chainlink fence, or comparable to solid oak. This is not "dust," TruthSeeker1234.

But thank you for adding some detail. This makes is much easier to determine where the fault in your reasoning process lies. Now all we have to do is get you to understand it, and we've made real progress.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Estimating turbulent heterogenous gas/solid mixtures acting as a liquid, and doing crude calculations like this... is a recipe for fun.

The "dust" indeed behaved as a seperate phase, did it not? Is this not a further indication of its high density?

The stuff is expanding, so its density is not constant, still, I think we should work towards an estimate of the density.

 

[einsteen]

I was a little bit working on some calculations, last time I used that antenna of wtc1 to check the time it took to fall a distance of 3.8 meter.
It it is about 1.3 seconds. The story is that the block falls as a whole and then the collision on the next floor will domino the next floor and so on, I used that antenna because its very good visible in the beginning and no smoke and dust covers it. The strange thing is that if you look at the rest of the block you see absolutely no movement (virtualdub can be used for a frame per frame analysis). It almost looks like a kind of penthouse failure that wtc7 also has. That same movie also shows that about 10 seconds before the initial moment of movement of the antenna some debris falls away from the impacted floors, the camera that was fixed somewhere else also started shaking. There is no sound in the movie. I'm wondering if that fits with the thunder sounds in 911eyewitness, anyone noticed this ?

 

[CurtC]

Fall time in air is directly indicative of surface area-to-mass ratio.

Surface area to mass ratio ain't density. Please stop using that word.

 

[Anti-sophist]

The "dust" indeed behaved as a seperate phase, did it not? Is this not a further indication of its high density?

The stuff is expanding, so its density is not constant, still, I think we should work towards an estimate of the density.

Have you accounted for air currents and subtracted them out, yet? Air resistance is calculated with a velocity relative to the air, not the ground. If the air is moving downwards, then the dust will 'go with it' with no resistance.

Have you estimated the airflow and subtracted it out, yet?


ETA: Btw, you get +40 points on the crackpot index (http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html) for comparing yourself to Galileo
40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.

 

[beachnut]

Galileo was jailed because his observations conflicted with the official story.

That is why we started a free society. So real scientist would not be jailed by fools like those in the truth movement when real scientist publish the truth; the real story. I am sure the truth movement leaders would jail anyone, if the truth movement was in charge, who did not agree with their CT world.

But the truth movement is not in jail because we have a free society, and we like to have nut cases display their ideas in the open so we can spend more or less money on education.

We have decide to "pull it"; all future funding of your education. Further expenditures are futile in your case of the never ending CT story.

 

[twinstead]

I am sure the truth movement leaders would jail anyone, if the truth movement was in charge, who did not agree with their CT world.

I have no doubt of that. Imagine a world where people can be accused of the worst possible crimes on hearsay, conjecture, and rumor.

Like many revolutions, the "hang 'em high!" crowd's cure will be worse than the sickness. Sort of like replacing the corrupt Tsars of Russia with what would become in a few short years the nightmare of Stalin.

I wonder if the scientists who support the 'old order' will be the first to go.

 

[tsig]

If the dust isn't significantly dense, then why does it fall so fast? I observe large quantities of dust that falls almost as rapidly as does steel. I repeat my challenge. Can we not get a handle on the density of the dust via its fall time? Fall time in air is directly indicative of surface area-to-mass ratio.

Do you ever do any of your own work?

Have you ever had your handle on anything?

Just asking questions.

 

[einsteen]

I think that TS1234 means:

- the collapse is of course less than an object in vacuum or air as we see because the debris is falling faster than the demolition wave

- this means that the debris that falls has a high terminal velocity, i.e. it is no dust that hangs in the air and is dense mass.

is that true TS1234?

 

[Anti-sophist]

- this means that the debris that falls has a high terminal velocity

Relative to what? Terminal velocity is relative to the air, not the ground. I'm still awaiting his calculations to determine how the frame of reference defined by the air converts to the frame of reference of the ground. In other words, I'm still waiting to see his calculations for the movement of the air.