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Ralph Sarchie

When Hollywood bases horror films on a "True Story" you're pretty much guaranteed it's a big pile of horse apples. You seem to know a bit about the Warrens so look at the Conjuring 1 & 2, the second one is based on the Enfield poltigeist which was very well documented at th time so it's easy to compare the Warren's actual contribution (turning up unannounced to try and moniterise the event) with what the film claims. Apply the same standards to this one. You don't actually need to even watch the films, the Wikipedia summary will do.

One of my favourite moments on Quora was when someone tried to argue The Conjuring was real by posting a picture of Ed and Lorraine Warren outside the house where it happened. I had to point out that it wasn't Ed and Lorraine Warren outside the Conjuring house, it was George and Kathy Lutz outside the Amityville Horror house, except it wasn't actually George and Kathy Lutz it was James Brolin and Margot Kidder who played them in the film 'The Amityville Horror' and it wasn't the Amityville house it was the house where they shot the movie. In New Jersey.
 
When Hollywood bases horror films on a "True Story" you're pretty much guaranteed it's a big pile of horse apples. You seem to know a bit about the Warrens so look at the Conjuring 1 & 2, the second one is based on the Enfield poltigeist which was very well documented at th time so it's easy to compare the Warren's actual contribution (turning up unannounced to try and moniterise the event) with what the film claims. Apply the same standards to this one. You don't actually need to even watch the films, the Wikipedia summary will do.

One of my favourite moments on Quora was when someone tried to argue The Conjuring was real by posting a picture of Ed and Lorraine Warren outside the house where it happened. I had to point out that it wasn't Ed and Lorraine Warren outside the Conjuring house, it was George and Kathy Lutz outside the Amityville Horror house, except it wasn't actually George and Kathy Lutz it was James Brolin and Margot Kidder who played them in the film 'The Amityville Horror' and it wasn't the Amityville house it was the house where they shot the movie. In New Jersey.


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So I need help debunking something based on my own irrational fears.

I read an interview with Eric Bana regarding the movie Deliver Us From Evil, in which he played real life detective cum self styled demonic exorcist Ralph Sarchie.

Bana stated he was a sceptic until he saw footage from one of Sarchies exorcisms in which a man in a straight jacket had a wound appear on his forehead on camera and his drool turned to blood.

What do you guys think? I tried looking up Sarchie and amongst other things he's hosted a typically bad paranormal investigation TV show ala Ghost Adventures and - red flag alert - he often worked with Ed and Lorraine Warren and John Zaffis.

For some reason this is bothering me.

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I can relate to you, Confusion. I was a very devout Catholic since birth until my later teens. When I was 7 or 8, I saw the movie, The Exorcist and it really scarred me. I thought all that stuff was real, "based on a true story" stuff. It haunted me for years. I mean, nightmares and irrational fears that it could happen to me. I was in youth group and the priest who ran the group told us stories about possission that he personally witnessed. Oddly enough, it was his stories that sowed the seeds of doubt in my mind. They just didn't jibe with the world I was coming to understand better. They sounded like something out of a book, like fiction. I started to question why God would allow something like posession to take place. The only answer I ever got was that it was the person who invited it by sinning, doubting, etc. That answer was just too self-serving and didn't mesh with the idea of God the Catholic Church tries to sell.

Now, I am a . . . well, I wouldn't go so far as to say hardcore atheist, but I am definitely a non-believer in supernatural stuff that has an effect on the real world. I came to that just by doing a lot of reading, discussing and thinking.

It's like other people have said: My view is that people telling us stuff like that always have an agenda, whether it's to sell a movie, keep us good little Christians so we keep going to Church, etc. Ralph Sarchie may or may not be a true believer, but he has definitely found a niche that works for him. He has an incentive to embellish his stories. He has an incentive to create footage that supports his professed beliefs and career. Whether he means to or not, he profits on the gullibility of people who believe in this stuff. Blood from the mouth? Bite your toungue when you are having a meltdown. Cut on the face? That can happen any number of ways. AND: did it even happen in the way "the footage" makes it look like?

Finally, the real world we all live in simply doesn't work that way. Mental illness is a thing. We understand it a lot better now than we did before. A rational person goes to rational explanations that jibe with the real world. Mental illness explains the behavior manifested in possessions.

I recently watched "The Devil and Father Amorth," which was directed by William Friedkin -the same guy who did The Exorcist. It documents a real exorcism performed by the titual Father Amorth, an Italian priest. It's not a great documentary film; however, it really shines a light on what is really going on: the intersection of mental illness with devout belief. The woman being exorcised is an Italian woman, devout Catholic. She is obviously mentally ill. But she doesn't seek medical help, she calls for the priest. This is the 9th (!) exorcism she has gone through. The ritual itself is pretty dull. There's lots of prayer and a little hysteria from the lady. She makes a lot of guttural sounds, screams blasphemy at the priest and says some stuff, in a weird deep voice, that sounds a little like Linda Blair did (well, Mercedes McCambridge provided the devil voice in The Exorcist), she convulses and has to be held down. That's it. To me, it really revealed the utter banality of possession and exorcism and how it's all a matter of misplaced faith in religion instead of science and pantomiming what has been seen in movies like The Exorcist.
 
Hi Confusion,
I understand how you feel. I also had heightened anxiety and overthinking issues since I was a teenager. It is some kind of coping mechanism in my case. So, I also started to feel like I am in danger when reading about Fortean topics because in some way my world view felt jeopardized. I guess that Catholic upbringing influenced my thinking.

There was time when I was even afraid of confronting a paranormal claim in fear that I will not be able to find a rational explanation for it. But today I can read every kind of **** you can imagine... And I even investigated some of the cases just to find that almost all of them have a hole or more of them... I still don't fell comfortable when people talk about their uncanny experiences but that is something that I have to live with...

There isn't an easy way out of it. Counseling and confrontation is a good starting point. Talk with skeptics... Follow their work and leran... And just try to relax :)
 
Movie myths are fun, so many hilariously incorrect movie myths based around the Exorcist, the Omen, Poltergeist, the Amityville Horror, etc...

Some people even go as far as to call these movies "cursed films", and I noticed that there's actually a series being made (Netflix?) on this very idea.

Those movies freaked so many people out back in the day, and the idea that the productions were somehow cursed were all too believable for many people, and these myths were often happily perpetuated by those associated with the films, and by the people who watched them, even by those who didn't watch them.

The whole It Happened! tagline is an old trick that directors and producers have been throwing out there for decades, and some people are all too willing to believe it without hesitation, especially in the days when you could still fool your mates down the pub without someone doing a quick Google-search. My personal favourite It Happened! movie being the Texas Chainsaw. Just keep telling yourself, it's only a movie, it's only a movie, it's only a movie...
 
Yes, I've suffered from anxiety most of my life and most of it has been existential stuff.

I've never held any religious beliefs but I wasn't always a skeptic, especially in my teen years (I'm 39 now). I was scared by various end of the world scenarios, nuclear war, asteroids and weirdly, things like biblical prophecies and anything with religious overtones scared me. Again, I don't really know where this comes from as I've never been religious and I've never believed in the bible. My parents are atheists. I did however attend a very Catholic infants school (pre-school). Maybe something got inside my head there?

I think what scares me is that the world makes sense to me as a naturalistic materialistic place. Which it is. I know it is. I'm able to say that all of the scientific evidence we have supports a natural scientific universe. Any rocking of that boat for me, so to speak, scares me. What if one little piece of evidence comes along that means the universe no longer makes sense? What if this is some supernatural playground filled with demons and magic and horrible insanity?

Does that make sense?

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I think this is a wonderful post, I can certainly relate.

If any one of these things are real - and just one piece of solid evidence would suffice - my whole world view would be turned on its head. On an existential level, it opens a can of worms that would be genuinely scary. Skepticism means being open to evidence.

However, out of curiosity and as a sort of self styled scientific training while I studied law- I read up on the evidence on a lot of these topics and cases in search of evidence. I think I was in my late teens/early twenties at the time, now I'm 40.

My findings were and are consistent, boringly so. I found that realiable evidence is non existant, and that the various phenomenons are much better explained by other mechanisms well known to science, perhaps mostly what goes on in the human brain.
 
When Hollywood bases horror films on a "True Story" you're pretty much guaranteed it's a big pile of horse apples.

I think the Fargo TV-show mocks this concept perfectly. Every episode is marked simply "This is a true story" :D Not the usual vague and pompous "Based on actual events" or some other vague pile of .. apples :blush:

Anyone who's seen the show would know it's just dripping in sarcasm, it's pure fiction, and great at that. Do recommend.
 

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