Merged Rally to Restore Sanity

JFrankA said:
Ah. The Fox "news" style of journalism.

Ignore the point that the person you disagree with makes, and have a bunch of videos that are edited down so there is a cherry picking of clips that prove your point, which has nothing to do with the point the other person is making.

Well done. :)

ETA: You do know, that with this as your rebuttal, you've just proven my point....
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What point was the stoner making?
 
Cicero said:
What point was the stoner making?
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Again, avoiding the point I was making.

I thought you were disputing what I was saying, not arguing with a video......

ETA: To be fair to you, I am at work and I can't watch the video now. I promise to do so when I get home.
 
I just went to Yusuf Islam's web page for clarification on the Salman Rushdie issue. He doesn't support some random person killing the guy. He does have this:
When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offense. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them.[1] However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.
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So he's O.K. with an author being killed for writing a book, provided that gets a trial first, in a country where they do that kind of thing. He should have sung "Crazy Train" as a duet with Osbourne.

You can read Yusuf's whole statement on the issue here.
 
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Cicero said:
What point was the stoner making?
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Okay, I see.

A conservative blogger found enough people who are clueless to fill a four minute video speaks for the whole idea of what the rally was about.

This proves that there were no people there at that rally who had a clue, that Jon's thirteen minute speech didn't mean a thing, that Fox "news" is correct, that all Tea-Party members are upstanding, non-pot-smoking, intelligent, well-informed citizens, and that Glen Beck's rally was the rally that made sense and spoke only the truth and not hypocritical in anyway.

Wow. I'm completely convinced now. I'm going to set my TiVo to tape Glen Beck right now!!!!!
 
=JFrankA;6514903]Okay, I see.

A conservative blogger found enough people who are clueless to fill a four minute video speaks for the whole idea of what the rally was about.
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You keep confusing what Stewart wanted the rally to be about with many of the people who actually showed up. It could have taken her four minutes to find people at random who are clueless. There are other video interviews of different clueless people. Mary K. Hamm did an excellent job by merely letting those she spoke to be themselves. The fact that she is good looking, witty and intelligent make the video that much more enjoyable.

This proves that there were no people there at that rally who had a clue, that Jon's thirteen minute speech didn't mean a thing, that Fox "news" is correct, that all Tea-Party members are upstanding, non-pot-smoking, intelligent, well-informed citizens[, and that Glen Beck's rally was the rally that made sense and spoke only the truth and not hypocritical in anyway.
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Now you need to back up your claim that FOX News ever claimed the hilted portion. There are whack job fringe people involved in all organizations. The left wanted their day in the sunshine. They got it. Those who attended the Stewart Rally and carried dopey signs and displayed total benightedness in their opinions are all fair game as those who attended any other of the dopey rallies.

Wow. I'm completely convinced now. I'm going to set my TiVo to tape Glen Beck right now!!!!!
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Why?
 
Cicero said:
You keep confusing what Stewart wanted the rally to be about with many of the people who actually showed up. It could have taken her four minutes to find people at random who are clueless. There are other video interviews of different clueless people. Mary K. Hamm did an excellent job by merely letting those she spoke to be themselves. The fact that she is good looking, witty and intelligent make the video that much more enjoyable.
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Oh, I agree with you! No one can deny a pretty woman with a camera can make a four minute video to prove that everyone at that rally was clueless and far left supporters.

[/quote]Now you need to back up your claim that FOX News ever claimed the hilted portion.[/quote]

Oh, no. I was wrong. Fox isn't biased at all. They told it like it was. What does a bunch of comedians know about the news anyways? All they do is make jokes and make fun of things they don't understand.

There are whack job fringe people involved in all organizations. The left wanted their day in the sunshine. They got it. Those who attended the Stewart Rally and carried dopey signs and displayed total benightedness in their opinions are all fair game as those who attended any other of the dopey rallies.
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You are right. I'm convinced. two ten minute videos and one three minute videos, which I'm sure wasn't edited down at all, showed that the entire rally was filled with these left wing nut jobs, clueless people and stoners who had inane signs.

Fox was correct to edit Jon's speech. After all, no one listened to the whole thing. Why bother?

Why?
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Because I want to tape the show of the guy who ran a REAL rally, one filled with nothing but intelligent people who actually understood what the rally was about.
 
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"Republicans for Sanity"? They must be loonies.
 
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I'd have to check, but I think there were more smiles at the Sanity rally than the Beck rally. I like smiles.
 
Spindrift said:
Your ability to consistently miss the point is breathtaking.
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What point is that, exactly? I do see the hypocrisy of liberals who denounce Republicans doing the same thing liberals have done for some time. Some liberals at the Stewart/Colbert Rally were either oblivious to/or in agreement with prominent liberals invoking the- name the Republican = Hitler comparison.
 
So a sign explicitly stating "I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler" is a "name the Republican = Hitler comparison"?
 
Buckaroo said:
I don't get that either. If the rally was to encourage sanity, putting a religious fundamentalist on stage who has in the past advocated death for a writer wasn't really doing service to that agenda. And it opens the rally up to legitimate and unecessary criticism from the teabaggers and the rest of the Right. Bad move.
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What Yusuf doesn't do (and should do) is condemn the Fatwa. For all these years this controversy has raged, all his responses have fallen short of condemning/repudiating the fatwa.

Which is too bad. This guy made his fortune with a handful of beautiful songs which support peace, and presumably he found Islam attractive because he saw something in that religion that echoed his own beliefs. It's unfortunate that He hasn't come up with enough moral courage, even after such a long period of time, to denounce those within his own religion that preach death and violence.

At the same time, it's worth asking how much should we read into that? We spend more time and effort condemning Yusuf for not condemning the Fatwa than we do condemning Khomeini for issuing it. Khomeini was the extremist who preached death. Yusuf is just a public figure who makes the mistake of not putting enough distance between himself and the extremists.

I was there at the rally. Being familiar with the controversy around him, I was also disappointed by Stewart's inclusion of Yousuf, but I also understand that including him wasn't an endorsement of Yusuf's ambivalence towards extremists, it was instead just a comedy bit comparing "Peace Train" to "Crazy Train" and "Love Train". Maybe they also though putting up a non-threatening Muslim was an added bonus, and if so that was probably not the best judgement either, but nobody there could possibly have mistaken his inclusion as an endorsement for the Fatwa against Rushdie.

Part of the rally was a bit where John Stewart had people on who were famous for crazy over-reactions. He had that airline steward who cussed out the obnoxious passenger then another person from some television show who had overturned a table both saying apologetic things about how in hindsight it was clear their reactions were inappropriate. At that time I thought maybe Yusuf would join them and apologize for his error from years ago, but that didn't happen.
 
Cicero said:
What point is that, exactly? I do see the hypocrisy of liberals who denounce Republicans doing the same thing liberals have done for some time. Some liberals at the Stewart/Colbert Rally were either oblivious to/or in agreement with prominent liberals invoking the- name the Republican = Hitler comparison.
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Wow, you really don't live in reality, do you?

The sign makes fun of liberals and conservatives who use the Hitler comparison for every politician they disagree with. They were far from oblivious, they were banking on you making that connection: It was the punch line!

It's like someone making a Star Wars joke about bad parents and you saying "The sad thing is that Darth Vader was Luke's father."
 
Cicero said:
What point is that, exactly? I do see the hypocrisy of liberals who denounce Republicans doing the same thing liberals have done for some time. Some liberals at the Stewart/Colbert Rally were either oblivious to/or in agreement with prominent liberals invoking the- name the Republican = Hitler comparison.
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Thank you for confirming what I said.
 
...so I guess it wouldn't be wrong of me to take this entire thread, cut it down to these statements:

Cicero said:
So deoes this sign-toter at Stewart/Colbert Rally

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Cicero said:
What point is that, exactly? I do see the hypocrisy of liberals who denounce Republicans doing the same thing liberals have done for some time. Some liberals at the Stewart/Colbert Rally were either oblivious to/or in agreement with prominent liberals invoking the- name the Republican = Hitler comparison.
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to prove that the entire JREF are a bunch of humorless, clueless hypocrites, right?????

Wait. Let me call Fox.....







ETA: Just to be clear, I mean no insult meant to any individual. I am, though, making a point.
 
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jnelso99 said:
So a sign explicitly stating "I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler" is a "name the Republican = Hitler comparison"?
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Dr. Keith said:
Wow, you really don't live in reality, do you?

The sign makes fun of liberals and conservatives who use the Hitler comparison for every politician they disagree with. They were far from oblivious, they were banking on you making that connection: It was the punch line!

It's like someone making a Star Wars joke about bad parents and you saying "The sad thing is that Darth Vader was Luke's father."
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Spindrift said:
Thank you for confirming what I said.
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varwoche said:
It's downright mind-boggling, even for Cicero. Does he actually not understand the sign? How is that possible? Inquiring minds want to know.
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The posting of the smiley Hitler sign was about how the sign-toter likes smiles. It wasn't posted as evidence of hypocrisy. But here is a Stewart/Colbert Rally sign that is not ambiguous about taking to task both conservatives and libs for Hitler comparisons.

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Here are Stewart/Colbert Rally signs indicating the hypocrisy:

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More hypocrisy displayed at other venues:

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Cicero said:
The posting of the smiley Hitler sign was about how the sign-toter likes smiles. It wasn't posted as evidence of hypocrisy. But here is a Stewart/Colbert Rally sign that is not ambiguous about taking to task both conservatives and libs for Hitler comparisons.

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Here are Stewart/Colbert Rally signs indicating the hypocrisy:

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More hypocrisy displayed at other venues:

[qimg]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/bushHitler2.jpg[/qimg]

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John Ashcroft died over 5 years ago. Clearly that last sign had nothing to do with the Stewart/Colbert rally.

I also find it astounding that you didn't get the point of the sign saying Nazi's are like Nazi's.
 
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