Rail In Houston, Vote Today

Jon, we had streetcars and rail in most American cities, too, and all ripped up for shiny new buses and blacktop. The result was a decline and abandonment of cities which is just now starting to really be reversed.

But cities were a great deal denser then. London is still very dense, as is the eastern megalopolis in the US, but for a lot of the rest of the US, the cities are now so spread out that set-place mass transit doesn't make sense, unless you assume land will be redeveloped to take advantage of it. (Houston has about 2500 people per square mile, versus New York's 5000, or London's 11,000) I think that's a safe assumption in older cities, like Minneapolis, where I am now, which originally developed along streetcar lines, and still have higher density in those corridors.

However, almost the entirety of Houston was build in the last 50 years, and it's very spread out. You really have to assume a lot of redevelopment to invision a Houston where rail makes sense on a large scale, but if any city can so reinvent itself, it's Houston.


c0rbin - That's a great description of Houston geography!
 
If Houston is spread out over a large area, I would think a light rail would be a quicker way to get around than a bus.

You guys are lucky. Most cities are choking on their own growth. Not enough lanes in the highways. Longer and longer traffic jams.

The only problem with a light rail system is that people who live more than a mile away from a stop tend not to use it.

There has to be a significant savings in travel time before people will give up their cars. And during non-rush hours, it is always quicker to get around by car.

Time, not money, is the issue for people. And availability. We Americans like to be able to get up and go at a moment's notice. We have no patience for schedules. We are too accustomed to spontaneity.
 
Luke T. said:
Heavy rail is for freight trains as well as passenger trains. Requires a much deeper and heavier contructed road bed.

I'm surprised more of our big city folk aren't weighing in on this. The full sized passenger trains used for commuting are referred to as "commuter rail." We have one between downtown Dallas and downtown Fort Worth.
http://www.trinityrailwayexpress.org/

I was so glad when the converted the old Interurban line into DART Light Rail. As far as I'm concerned, I will never ever drive downtown on a weekday, and probably not on weekends either.
 
Speaking as a resident of Melbourne, Australia, all I can say is vote yes. We have an extensive tram (light rail) system. You can talk a lot about the faults it has, such as sharing the road at many points or its speed, but the fact is it is very popular. As such, it it keeps a lot of cars off the road, and in the central part of the city of Melbourne, as in all busy cities, the less cars the better.

Why tram and not bus? Maybe it is a psychological thing, but people like the rails and the lack of pollution. There is something much more palpable about a tram. Either way, a tram is more popular than a bus.

The Melbourne tram system is so popular it is even being extended. In an age where the car is king, to see a public transport system being extended is a sign that the public wants more of it.

A new tramway is usually designed to be built on it's own roadway these days, and not share with the cars. Sharing is a hassle. But it is not the end of the world.

Either way, one tram can carry the equivalent of 40 cars worth of road space. So every tram in peak hour is making your car journey quicker, not slower. Well worth the subsidy when you consider the cost of a new freeway.
 
Luke T. said:

The downside is that the fares are heavily subsidized by tax dollars.

Oh, I'm sure that'll change when some politician decides that transport is a means itself, rather than a means to an end.

Melbourne tram system kicks @$$. I never had to wait more than 10 minutes for a ride.
 
Sydney city has a small raised monorail loop.
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It also has a light rail running to some of the more ritzy close-in suburbs.

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Plus it has an extensive heavy rail suburban rail network.

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Not to mention the bus network...

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...nor the ferries.

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We are spoiled for choice of public transport! Aaaaah!
 
Just think how many dollars you have cost private enterprise by having those public transport systems. There would be many more freeways (or linear parking lots, as they are sometimes called), and cars on them, and taxes to pay for them, and the land they take, and the cars of the people that would have been on the one tram, or bus, or ferry.
 
a_unique_person said:
Just think how many dollars you have cost private enterprise by having those public transport systems. There would be many more freeways (or linear parking lots, as they are sometimes called), and cars on them, and taxes to pay for them, and the land they take, and the cars of the people that would have been on the one tram, or bus, or ferry.
:confused: Ummm...exactly??
 
I hear San Francisco has an extensive fairy system named Bart.

Unfortunately ferries are not an option in Dallas, at least until after Planet X hits I suppose.
 
Look, Houston is in Texas, and if Texans want something REAL BAD then they will get it, by God!

So you had better go get your floaties on quick, because the Gulf will be a lot closer very shortly! :)
 
Zep: in the interests of journalistic integrity, you may wish to disclose that the monorail is a glorifyed theme park ride for the easily amused, rather than a legit mode of transport. I mean, if the monorail breaks down... OMG! I have to walk 1km to Darling Harbour!
 
It looks like the bond election has been approved by the voters. Nice choice.
 
Michael Redman said:
I'm impressed. This is really an ambitious project for a city that is known as a libertarian paradise. I'm going to have to come for a visit in a few years and see how the old town has changed.

http://www.localvoter.com/exhibita.asp

This can only mean the anti-christ has arisen. What shall be his form?
 
I'll be curious to see how it works out.

Although I will still be on the bus, since I live in the boonies :)
 
Update:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/ec/nov4/2201398 ..full article

By a narrow margin, voters resisted a multimillion-dollar campaign to reject rail expansion and approved Metro's ambitious $7.5 billion regional transit plan.

With all precincts reporting, Metropolitan Transit Authority's proposition passed 51 percent to 48 percent.

Metro officials declared victory to supporters at the Magnolia Hotel downtown at 12:45 this morning. The transit authority has scheduled a news conference for later today to discuss how its plan will be implemented.

"Tonight we celebrate victory," said Mayor Lee Brown. "It's a victory for our city, it's a victory for the next generation and generations to come. Tonight Houston joins the ranks of the truly great cities of the world."

Metro board Chairman Arthur Schechter said, "This is going to completely change the nature of Houston, especially the core of the city."

Anti-rail group Texans for True Mobility broke up its party at midnight but refused to concede defeat until the final precincts report. Rail foes acknowledged likely defeat, however, while maintaining the narrow margin shows voters were skeptical of Metro's plan.

"This is far from a mandate," said Michael Stevens, chairman of TTM.

Paul Bettencourt, Harris County tax assessor-collector, said "Metro needs to heed that there are serious concerns in the community that their plan doesn't fix the problem."

The next step for Metro is to obtain federal matching funds. Otherwise it won't be able to afford to build the rail lines. U.S. Rep. John Culberson and fellow rail critic House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land, vowed during the campaign to fight for federal dollars on behalf of Metro if voters endorsed the plan.

"This vote does reflect the desperation of Houstonians for immediate traffic relief," said Culberson, R-Houston, one of Metro's harshest critics. "The closeness reflects deep flaws in Metro's plan."

But Culberson said despite his dissatisfaction, he will follow the voters' will.

"My job now is to move forward with this new instruction from the voters," Culberson said. "I've got my marching orders."

Back in 1988, voters approved a transit proposition that included 20 miles of rail, but that plan was rejected by Mayor Bob Lanier after his election in 1991. The mayor of Houston appoints five of the nine members of the Metro board, which is tantamount to controlling the transit authority.

Metro advocates are cheering for Bill White, a rail supporter, to win the mayoral runoff against Orlando Sanchez, who opposes Metro's plan.

The centerpiece of the "Metro Solutions" program authorized by voters Tuesday is the expansion of Houston's nascent light rail system to include 73 more miles by 2025. It is the largest mass-transit proposal adopted in Houston since the creation of Metro in 1978.

Voters approved a $640 million bond issue to accelerate construction of the next 22 miles of light rail, extensions to the 7 1/2-mile Main Street line nearing completion between downtown and Reliant Park. They also authorized 44 new bus routes, a doubling of HOV lanes, and extending Metro's participation in local road projects for another five years.

Metro's proposal sparked a heated campaign, with the transit authority spending $3 million to advertise the plan and promote light rail. Two political action committees, Texans for True Mobility and pro-rail group Citizens for Public Transportation, spent almost another $3 million combined.

The bottom line, according to interviews with voters Tuesday, was that Houston commuters need another alternative to driving alone on the freeways. The region is the only one of the top 10 populated U.S. metropolitan areas without rail, a topic that has been debated dating back to a 1973 failed rapid-transit referendum.

Houston boomed as a car-oriented city but is now the place in America where residents drive the most miles per capita per day, pay the third highest transportation costs per family, breathe some of the most polluted air, and endure traffic congestion ranking in the top 15.

Many voters said it's time for a change.

"I don't understand what the big issues are about not wanting to have trains," said Bill Taylor of northwest Harris County, riding to work recently on a Metro commuter bus. Motioning to gridlocked 8:15 a.m. traffic on the Northwest Freeway, he added, "This obviously hasn't worked."

Fran Schaeffer, also a commuter-bus rider, said the region can't continue building big highways that soon become congested as growth follows the new concrete.

"I'm not crazy about it," Schaeffer said of Metro's expansion plan. "But if we don't start somewhere, we're just going to be on top of each other. If we keep accommodating people to drive their own cars by themselves, then we're going to defeat ourselves. It can't go on like that."
 

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