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Raelism proves Evolution wrong!!!

Will they ever bother to learn enough about evolution to be able to seperate their arguments against it, from aguments against abiogenesis?
 
Ah yes, Raelism. Everybody remembers Clonaid and that elusive first ever cloned human baby? Has she entered school yet?
 
What does a "warm pond close to a volcano" have to do with evolution. They are pulling these words out of their a@@.

To imagine that a minimum of one hundred of them just enhanced one another and built the amazing first living cell is just non-scientific.
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And who made that assumption. More straight from the bowel hole.

What is interesting is that many scientists in this conference will also explore the possibility that "life arrived from space".
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And what does a few chemical on a meteor have to do with aliens?

The messages dictated to Rael explain that life on Earth is not the result of random evolution, nor the work of a supernatural 'God'. It is a deliberate creation, using DNA, by a scientifically advanced people who made human beings literally "in their image" -- what one can call "scientific creationism."
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So if evolution, god, and the supernatural is a farce who was the "advanced people" that made the "advanced people" that made us? Stinks a little of ad nauseam don't you think? I guess all the other DNA based animals was them practicing to make us literally "in their image". We seem to be able to make more of ourselves with the most unskilled labor on earth. Quiet fun thing to do actually. So if we are created literally in their image why would they need to resort to intelligent design?
 
strathmeyer said:
So, how do Raelians think alien life was created?
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I wish I hadn't deleted the books from this guy from my computer.
I guess it goes something like this.

This image from Wikipedia sums it up.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Raëlian_cosmology.jpg
since they believe it's all infinite the aliens come with the argument that they were genetically created by their father scientists, as were they and as were teh fathers of those who created the ones who created us. This has been going on for ever.
In a way Rael tries to make the next step by trying to make US clone ourselves because he thinks this offers us immortality.

This is all being told to the man, Rael, inside this spacecraft, and he was asked to bring along a notebook and as the alien talks, he scribles it all down.
An interesting thing is that the alien did not instead ask Rael to take a video camera with him. What a creep. I'm going to create a longer thread where I criticise a few things of Raelism.

But anyway I'll just tell you about their "no evolution" argument.

These aliens had scientists, and they're exactly like us, they look like us.
These scientists started to be able to create life and they created a living atmosphere with their "advanced machines and technology" on earth.
They seem to use a lot of atomic bombs.

They kept putting their newest creations on Earth, which "evolved" as their expertise got better and they started getting creative and that's why you see so many beautiful things on Earth.

a few arguments from them. How can evolution benefit curved horns and why are there so many birds with long tail feathers.

They ask this out of ignorance really.
They're all atheists too, because it's all infinite...therefore no space for a God.
 
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Hourglassmemory said:
Who has heard of Raelism?
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I remember being amused by reading about their antics at some big Creationist Intelligent Design conference. And then being kind of sad when I found out they were serious.

they're fascinating! In the sense that you can dilacerate them with simple logic right away.
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And I learned a new word today, so thanks for that.
 
It's amazing how far people will go just to support one little story.

These are the only people I know who argue against evolution, for genetic modification and cloning, for sexual pleasure, and take the blasphemy challenge:
 
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Damn I hate this lunatic. Raël is all over the place. Doesn't he say that he met with Abraham, Jesus and Mohammed in 1974 or something? :boggled:

He just substitutes "god" with "aliens". That's it.
 
Hourglassmemory said:
Who has heard of Raelism?
they're fascinating! In the sense that you can dilacerate them with simple logic right away.
This is just a sample of their news reports on their website.

It's weird....raelism never gets any attention on these forums.
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lol...

Ah, Claude Dorion/Rael, wonderful character... You ever seen the guy ? Always wear a topknot and long flowing white robes. He used to appear quite often on french/french canadian TV. But recently, he said that he wouldn't appear anymore on canadian TV because, quite predictably, people started laughing at him on a talk show...

Used to own a mansion with a life-size plexiglas space ship and huge plexiglas DNA model (which he's sold now, if I remember right...).

Anyway, that's just another sect, dangerous however because they attract rich people (ie lawyers and the likes), scientology style... Wonder if Claude read L. Ron Hubbar and decided to imitate him ?

the Kemist
 
krazyKemist said:
lol...

Ah, Claude Dorion/Rael, wonderful character...
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Claude Vorilhon, the most famous Claude Steben impersonator ;).

Used to own a mansion with a life-size plexiglas space ship and huge plexiglas DNA model (which he's sold now, if I remember right...).
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Yep, UFOland was sold and the cult is moving to the US, specifically the South (Vegas or Florida), where, just like so many old people who retire there, it'll slowly wither and die.

Oh yes, the 3 parts of the Chapleau-Raël confrontation on "Tout le monde en parle", for those who understand French, just for fun...


 
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krazyKemist said:
Anyway, that's just another sect, dangerous however because they attract rich people (ie lawyers and the likes), scientology style... Wonder if Claude read L. Ron Hubbar and decided to imitate him ?
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He did, as well as all of the baddest of the worst SF comics (and in the late 1970 he would even change his wardrobe and spacecrafts models accordingly). He's moved to Canada and the US because he's a laughting stock al over Europe, and he was starting to get into too much trouble in France over fiscal matters and most damagingly his sexual doctrines and practices regarding underage children ...

The guy is scum, his doctrine ridiculous. However, it looks more and more like he's not the top guy anymore and the cult has turned into a money sucking corporation à la $cientology: some of the telling points are the fact that most of its PR campains in Europe appear side by side with $cientology's, and that it is involving itself in more and more schemes devised to syphon money from the poorest of the poor and from international development agencies (the last that I heard this morning on French TV is that it wants to get involved in a program against genital mutilations in Africa, called "Clitoraid" - I kid you not !).
 
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My mistake:blush: ... Still the guy's so ridiculous you can't help wondering how he's got followers (and not in the uneducated category, to boot !).

Highly recommend watching his stint at "Tout le monde en parle", one of the most pathetic moment of TV ever made !


"Clithoraid" :boggled: .... My god... Anything to get publicity...

the Kemist
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To think I had such high hopes for evolution.

Along comes Raelism and I'm left with shattered dreams....

What a fool I've been.
 
krazyKemist said:
My mistake:blush: ... Still the guy's so ridiculous you can't help wondering how he's got followers (and not in the uneducated category, to boot !).
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Education is no guard against narcissism, and those cults play on the sense of self-importance of their recruits, who love being said they're descended from super-duper-intelligent aliens and therefore part of an elite.



"Clithoraid" :boggled: .... My god... Anything to get publicity...
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That's all they got left ... note that with such a name, they can still hope to recruit celebrities like the Ciciollina, or Paris Hilton when she's out of jail ...
 
Ah there's something they do which is....nominate people to be honorary guides.

It's basically walking up to someone famous and say with their stupid smile on their face and that weird "Ah-theist" accent you can hear on rael's blaphemy response "You have now become an honorary guide of the Raelian movement"

It's like they go up to people so they can say....."oh! we've made this guy our honorary guide....see? we are reaching famous people!"


Here's two reviews on the main book from this guy. They gave 5 stars on Amazon!

"The only truth about this book is that it is obviously the work of Satan through his demons who are actually aliens from outter space. The book actually tries to get the reader to look up into space and try to make telepathic contact with the "alien creators". (page 184) Its all BS and is an attempt to discredit the true creator of the universe.

Satan knows he has little time before he is finished and is trying to do all he can to take as many people with him to hell, this is one more attempt at trying to trick people. DON'T FALL FOR IT!"

the second one:
"I agree with Raelian that we've been brought to life by the Elohim who created us in the first place to mine the Gold from earth and they are the one who left us to death when the flood happen long time ago. They created us for their own convenience and I think they should be ashamed of themselves for what they did. Raelians are promoting clowning these days, so one day they might create another stupid race who are going to be our slaves to serve us in our new heaven earth :) Guys read the Biggest secret (by David Icke) to find out the source of our problems (Bani Ha Elohim)or sons of the Elohim the awfuly rich Bloodline who's controling the world today while we are the slaves who serve their own heaven. the game is repeating itself but is getting ridiculous."
 
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