Radiation and the atomic bombing of Japan.

[Didymus]

Richard Rhodes quotes the directive to drop the bomb. It is issued "by direction and with the approval of the Secretary of War and of the Chief of Staff, USA." Rhodes presumes that it was shown to Truman at Potsdam but notes that it does not record his formal authorization.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Richard Rhodes quotes the directive to drop the bomb. It is issued "by direction and with the approval of the Secretary of War and of the Chief of Staff, USA." Rhodes presumes that it was shown to Truman at Potsdam but notes that it does not record his formal authorization.

That might be in the Truman Online Library. Extensive document collection re the bomb there.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

From a friend in the 202 area code:

FYI:

Subject: The Secret History of the Atom Bomb Is Now Available in Full Online. It even has a US Navy section.
URL: https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan_district.jsp

"General Leslie Groves, head of the Manhattan Engineer District, in late
1944 commissioned a multi-volume history of the Manhattan Project called the Manhattan District History. Prepared by multiple authors under the general editorship of Gavin Hadden, a longtime civil employee of the Army Corps of Engineers, the classified history was "intended to describe, in simple terms, easily understood by the average reader, just what the Manhattan District did, and how, when, and where." The volumes record the Manhattan Project's activities and achievements in research, design, construction, operation, and administration, assembling a vast amount of information in a systematic, readily available form. The Manhattan District History contains extensive annotations, statistical tables, charts, engineering drawings, maps, photographs, and detailed indices. Only a handful of copies of the history were prepared. The Department of Energy's Office of History and Heritage Resources is custodian of one of these copies.

The history is arranged in thirty-six volumes grouped in eight books. Some of the volumes were further divided into stand-alone chapters. Several of the volumes and stand-alone chapters were never security classified. Many of the volumes and chapters were declassified at various times and were available to the public on microfilm. Parts of approximately a third of the volumes remain classified.

The Office of Classification and the Office of History and Heritage Resources, in collaboration with the Department's Office of Science and Technical Information, have made the full-text of the entire thirty-six volume Manhattan District History available on this OpenNet website.
Unclassified and declassified volumes have been scanned and posted.
Classified volumes were declassified in full or with redactions, i.e., still classified terms, phrases, sentences, and paragraphs were removed and the remaining unclassified parts made available to the public. All volumes have been posted."

 

[Polaris]

I thought the resolution to that was pretty surreal. I can't get this image out of my head: General Tanaki personally, and single-handedly dissolving the coup by walking into the palace and scolding the officers for their dishonorable actions, before committing suicide on behalf of his men a few days later. It's the stuff of cinema.

Tanaki, despite his unfortunate loyalties, seems to have been a fairly good and honorable man, at least compared to most of his peers.

Not a high bar, you have to admit.

 

[Seismosaurus]

Wow, some people actually believe that ?

What am I saying ? For every crazy theory, you'll find at least one true believer.

There's a conspiracy group that believe there were no atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How so? Well you see, nuclear weapons do not exist and never have. The whole thing is a hoax.

Yes, seriously.

 

[Pope130]

There's a conspiracy group that believe there were no atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How so? Well you see, nuclear weapons do not exist and never have. The whole thing is a hoax.

Yes, seriously.

I used to know somebody who claimed to believe that, while the atomic bomb program existed, that they did not work. He said that Jesus prevented the bombs from going off. When asked about the damage to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he said that was the result of earthquakes (for which Japan is famous). So apparently god will prevent people from being killed by atom bombs, and then go ahead and smack 'em with an earthquake instead. Nice god.

Oh, and all the governments know that nuclear weapons won't work, The cold war arms race was just an excuse to jack up taxes and give money to General Electric, General Dynamics and General Motors. And Russia was in on it for some reason.

 

[Didymus]

I used to know somebody who claimed to believe that, while the atomic bomb program existed, that they did not work. He said that Jesus prevented the bombs from going off. When asked about the damage to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he said that was the result of earthquakes (for which Japan is famous). So apparently god will prevent people from being killed by atom bombs, and then go ahead and smack 'em with an earthquake instead. Nice god.

Oh, and all the governments know that nuclear weapons won't work, The cold war arms race was just an excuse to jack up taxes and give money to General Electric, General Dynamics and General Motors. And Russia was in on it for some reason.

This is the plot of the 1970 book The Jesus Factor by Edwin Corley. Needless to say, it is fiction.

 

[Pope130]

This is the plot of the 1970 book The Jesus Factor by Edwin Corley. Needless to say, it is fiction.

That could well be where he got the idea. This was in 1974.

 

[catsmate]

I used to know somebody who claimed to believe that, while the atomic bomb program existed, that they did not work. He said that Jesus prevented the bombs from going off. When asked about the damage to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he said that was the result of earthquakes (for which Japan is famous). So apparently god will prevent people from being killed by atom bombs, and then go ahead and smack 'em with an earthquake instead. Nice god.

Oh, and all the governments know that nuclear weapons won't work, The cold war arms race was just an excuse to jack up taxes and give money to General Electric, General Dynamics and General Motors. And Russia was in on it for some reason.

And the Trinity test? I've a chunk of glass that says there was a hot blast there.
And then there's the early 2,500 subsequent test detonations...

 

[Didymus]

And the Trinity test? I've a chunk of glass that says there was a hot blast there.
And then there's the early 2,500 subsequent test detonations...

How Corley got around that was that bombs worked if attached to the Earth, e.g. on a shot tower, but didn't if falling freely. This doesn't account for the many tests in which bombs were dropped and worked more or less as planned.
IIRC, I've not read the book in 35 years, the flash over Hiroshima was a test of a giant flash-powder device for aerial photography. The plot becomes a bit flimsy as it tries to account for a miracle without invoking the supernatural.

 

[Pope130]

And the Trinity test? I've a chunk of glass that says there was a hot blast there.
And then there's the early 2,500 subsequent test detonations...

I have not read the book Didymus mentioned, so can't say if that issue is addressed. My acquaintance said that the test blasts, nuclear power plants and lab tests are all allowed to work, but that operational use, which could harm a human, was prevented by divine intervention. Apparently tests that only harm animals are Ok with the big guy.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I have not read the book Didymus mentioned, so can't say if that issue is addressed. My acquaintance said that the test blasts, nuclear power plants and lab tests are all allowed to work, but that operational use, which could harm a human, was prevented by divine intervention. Apparently tests that only harm animals are Ok with the big guy.

The author is pig-ignorant then. Lots of troops were exposed to atomic bombs during early testing, and again by the French later on, in the '70s IIRC.

And, of course, this will just generate another yeah-but.

 

[Pope130]

The author is pig-ignorant then. Lots of troops were exposed to atomic bombs during early testing, and again by the French later on, in the '70s IIRC.

And, of course, this will just generate another yeah-but.

I'm quite aware of that. My mother, a member of the Oregon Air National Guard at the time, was at one of the Nevada above ground tests in the early '50s. She was quite impressed by the show, describing it in very vivid terms. She died of cancer in '89, possibly related.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm quite aware of that. My mother, a member of the Oregon Air National Guard at the time, was at one of the Nevada above ground tests in the early '50s. She was quite impressed by the show, describing it in very vivid terms. She died of cancer in '89, possibly related.

I didn't mean to imply anything about you, I was referring to the author. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Didymus]

Here's an ironic little role reversal. Pope130's acquaintance, operating in something resembling real life, supposes that miracles happen. Edwin Corley, writing fiction, goes to extreme lengths to explain the same theory in a physically plausible way.
BTW, Wikipedia has a short article on The Jesus Factor. According to the book, Corley, who died in 1981, had submitted parts of it to Paul Tibbets and to Curtis LeMay. He doesn't report what replies he got.

 

[Noztradamus]

And the Trinity test? I've a chunk of glass that says there was a hot blast there.
And then there's the early 2,500 subsequent test detonations...

According to ths documentation (The Jesus Factor by Edwin Corley) Nuclear weapons only worked when stationary.

 

[Noztradamus]

How Corley got around that was that bombs worked if attached to the Earth, e.g. on a shot tower, but didn't if falling freely.

I believe shots suspendeed from a stationary balloon also worked.

 

[Pope130]

I didn't mean to imply anything about you, I was referring to the author. Sorry for any confusion.

No problem Gawdzilla. I may be a bit touchy on the subject. No offense meant or taken.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No problem Gawdzilla. I may be a bit touchy on the subject. No offense meant or taken.

Ditto here.

 

[Ranb]

There's a conspiracy group that believe there were no atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How so? Well you see, nuclear weapons do not exist and never have. The whole thing is a hoax.

Was it the people posting at the Nuke Lies forum? It is archived here. http://www.big-lies.org/NUKE-LIES/www.nukelies.com/forum/index.html Turns out their best evidence of nukes being a hoax is that the Jews had a part in it.

I originally registered as ranb describing my history as a Sailor in the nuclear navy. I was banned after a while. A short while later I re-registered as a semi-illiterate shipyard painter who had doubts about nuclear power. I was warmly welcomed with open arms. As the months passed I started to express a belief that nuclear propulsion was real and was eventually scorned for it.

Ranb