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racist Tintin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6294670.stm

Um yes this is Tintin in the Congo. It is racist. It's a bit like complaining that Kolberg is pro nazi.

Dear geni,

I've seen a few pages of this book online. Aside from whatever the politically correct witches are screaming about, what, exactly, seems to be the problem? Is it to be illegal now to draw blacks in cartoons? Will I have to acquire a license to do so?

Cpl Ferro
 
Dear geni,

I've seen a few pages of this book online. Aside from whatever the politically correct witches are screaming about, what, exactly, seems to be the problem? Is it to be illegal now to draw blacks in cartoons? Will I have to acquire a license to do so?

Cpl Ferro

Current DC Mister Terrific is black so no.

The problem is with the atitudes displayed and the portrail of the congolese.
 
Current DC Mister Terrific is black so no.

The problem is with the atitudes displayed and the portrail of the congolese.

Dear geni,

Ah, and how might they have been portrayed?

Cpl Ferro
 
Dear geni,

I've seen a few pages of this book online. Aside from whatever the politically correct witches are screaming about, what, exactly, seems to be the problem? Is it to be illegal now to draw blacks in cartoons? Will I have to acquire a license to do so?

Cpl Ferro

Here's an idea: Why don't you read the book in question before you conclude that it is merely the depiction of black people that's the problem?
 
CplFerro will probalby see nothing wrong with it, since he seems to be living in the late 19th century.
 
You buying?

Nope. I do have an edition I'd lend you, but I expect you don't read Danish? Otherwise, the library is a good suggestion.

The thing is, this album will seem really out of character for Hergé, if you read it after the later ones. It was made more in the style of one-gag-per-page than as a complete story from start to finish.

These gags most often hinge on Tintin, the Belgian reporter, saving the day when the natives are too stupid, petty and incompetent to help themselves. He heals the sick, makes Salomonian judgements (cutting a disputed straw hat in two) and defeats the "Babanese" makeshift army (whose artillery consists of an eighteenth-centure musket mounted on a cart) single-handedly - with an electro-magnet. He even by accident tips over the local train, which is so small and weak that it can't withstand a collision with Tintin's car. Thankfully, he directs the passengers in getting their "choo-choo" upright again, and pulls it the rest of the way to the station with his car.

All these feats invariably gets the Congolese on their hands and knees, bowing to the "great wizard" and / or promising to be his servant for life. Hell, at one point, a tribe of pygmyes deifies his dog, complete with paper crown(?) and makeshift throne. To distinguish between the Congolese, since they're all drawn alike, Hergé had to use other attributes like beards, but mostly silly hats. Cooking pot with a doctor's reflector mounted, Prussian army helmet, an old top hat someone sat on, and so on.

A fun exercise is to read Tintin in America as well. This was arguably the last album Hergé made in this fashion, on hearsay alone and without any real research or serious attempt at an album-wide story-arc. If you're an American, you can see for yourself how accurate it is. It involves, among other things, Tintin having to dress like a cowboy to blend in, a gangster / evil industrialist villain, "noble savage" - style Native Americans, finding oil by accident, and a ticker-tape parade.

Oh, and I completely understand your waryness about jumping on some PC bandwagon. Sometimes you see cases that seem completely overblown. But in this case, IMO the album is a perfect example of 30's European colonial attitude (and valuable as an example of that). I don't think this album will harm any kids, but I'd personally wait with giving it to a child until they're mature enough to have a discussion about the historical context. Plus, it's really not up to par with the rest of them, in quality.

To clarify my position, I'm against almost any ban of literature, but I'm for proper perspective - putting a foreword in there or even moving some things to the adult graphic novel section, as has been done.
 
Dear TSA,

Thank you for the enlightenment. Amazing how hard it is to get past the games playing on a forum. It does sound like the book is a product of its time, but to advocate censorship of it is just evil. The type of people advocating censorship are not competent enough in classical humanist philosophy to judge or administer a program of government regulation of socially dangerous materials, they are just antiracist fanatics. Until their betters arrive, may Tintin continue to be available for sale.

Cpl Ferro
 
If TinTin, or Tom Sawyer, or Lucy Luke (indian portraits) was made today they would surely be racist but they are not. Any thought of censuring them is idiotic but it will come, mark my word. Those PC types have allready succeded in censuring old WB cartoons, all smoking scenes cut and all scenes where Tom gets blown up and ends up with a "negro face" is carefully removed......

I HATE THAT !!! :mad:
Leave the old movies alone IF you mind, i'm pretty sure that my son will not become a racist because his father let him watch old WB cartoons when he was younger.
 
If TinTin, or Tom Sawyer, or Lucy Luke (indian portraits) was made today they would surely be racist but they are not. Any thought of censuring them is idiotic but it will come, mark my word. Those PC types have allready succeded in censuring old WB cartoons, all smoking scenes cut and all scenes where Tom gets blown up and ends up with a "negro face" is carefully removed......

I HATE THAT !!! :mad:
Leave the old movies alone IF you mind, i'm pretty sure that my son will not become a racist because his father let him watch old WB cartoons when he was younger.

I agree. Even though I think that there are sure cases where it doesn't hurt to change certain things, in general I do think that works of literature, art, film and so on should not be changed. Even if they contain racist themes, or other things we find offensive today, they are valuable sources that shows how things used to be. I think that in most cases it is better then to explain the context than to pretend it never contained any questionable things.
 
When I read about these stories one type of question always pops into my head. For this one it would be:

Why does The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) consider Tintin a suitable target for their ire but scripture, a much more powerful influence, is not?

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I don't understand this. People are OK with the government censorship of literature? How very, very sad.
 
There's no library where you live?

Due to not being terribly popular stateside, it can be difficult to find TinTin in the libraries and bookstores here. Which is a shame, because I'm a huge fan of Carl Barks and would love to read more Herge.

I also would love to stop spending all my money at Amazon and make use of my local library. ;) Which TinTin books would you reccommend I start with before they're all censored?
 
I don't understand this. People are OK with the government censorship of literature? How very, very sad.


I agree.
If there is one area in which both the Left and the Right are equally guilty, it's the urge to use the Power of the State to censor material.
In the US,one of the most "Liberal" Democrats in the House of Representatives has proposed a bill to ,basically,let the Government start censoring Cable and Satellite TV for "excessive Violence".
And a number of Conservative GOPers continue their efforts to bring back Victorian standards where anything sexual is concerned.
And both sides accuse each other of attacking freedom of expression.
Mr Pot,meet Miss Kettle.
 
Dear TSA,

Thank you for the enlightenment. Amazing how hard it is to get past the games playing on a forum. It does sound like the book is a product of its time, but to advocate censorship of it is just evil. The type of people advocating censorship are not competent enough in classical humanist philosophy to judge or administer a program of government regulation of socially dangerous materials, they are just antiracist fanatics. Until their betters arrive, may Tintin continue to be available for sale.

Cpl Ferro

You're making the mistake to think that anyone in this thread who agreed that Tintin in the Congo is racist supports its censoring, which is not true.

But of course I wouldn't expect an extremist like you to make the distinction.
 
I don't understand this. People are OK with the government censorship of literature? How very, very sad.

Definitely not, i hope i didn't give that impression. NOBODY is going to tell me what i read or write or watch... EOS

And tampering with old films/books/cartoons is interfering with the original and should be punished by being forced to watch old re-coloured silent-movies with added German speak (they DO that you know). :mad:
 

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