Quotes from Lord Bertrand Russell

[flameowl]

I still don't see what Matrixcutter wants from this conversation. Maybe it's the lack of content in the op that has me confused... MC, what do you want us to draw from your quotes aside from the fact that a prominent member of the scientific community can, over the course of their life, provide a very large and involved body of work that cannot be understood in a 'sound bite'?

What did you want us to draw from these quotations? What did you wish to discuss about them? Did you need clarification from those who may have read the works on what the actual meaning was? Did you want to draw comparisons with the present day and thereby attempt to demonstrate that Lord Russel was prescient (and claim the million! yay!)? Did you just want us to verify that the quotes you provided were taken out of context as you had previously suspected?

I know that someone asked earlier what you wanted, but your answer wasn't very informative, and maybe with my questions you can see why.

 

[Foster Zygote]

So he started believing conspiracy theories in his 90s... do we really have to speculate on why?

But did he really? When I think of a "conspiracy theorist" I think of someone who asks questions like that with the certainty that he/she already has the answers. When shown evidence that the real answers to a question do not involve a conspiracy these people will virtually never accept it because it does not support their a priori beliefs in the matter. I've read enough of Russell to be reasonably certain that this would not have been the case with him.

 

[Stellafane]

...anyway - glass houses? You sound like a cross between Stephanie and Cellophane

Tell me about it! I'm such an astronomy nerd, that it never occured to me how bizarre and feminine "Stellafane" sounds out of context. So many people thought I was female, I had to resort to sticking my fugly face into my avatar to prove otherwise. A lot less people hit on me now (none, actually).

But you gotta admit, "Stellafane" can't hold a candle to "matrixcutter," with its multilevel hilarity.

 

[The Atheist]

... from the novel "1984." Here is the Plot Summary.

Ack! I totally own the forum that's attached to and yet I've never been into that page before - it has to be the worst book precis of all time. Glad you brought that in, I'll fix it immediately.

Absolutely.

Incidentally, there is an interview on vyzygoth.com this week, in which he mentions the book within the book in 1984, and how he believes that Orwell was revealing some information about scientific/technological development.

"Vyzygoth"? How quaint.

It sounds to me as though the bloke has eaten a bad burger and is trying to get rid of the mess he vomited out by getting other people to eat it. Obviously works. Anyone, even a child, who is stupid enough to believe that Orwell was interested in technological development or trying to reveal it is clearly dumber than the "vyzygoth" thing, which would make it of an IQ unable to find shoelaces, never mind tie them.

Learn a little about Orwell before you try to lie him into anything, because your idiot heroes demonstrably have no clue. Orwell himself was a hater of lies and he would have sliced people like Dylan Avery and Alex Jones into pieces so small their mothers wouldn't recognise them. (Not to mention that his sarcasm was so sharp, half-brains like those two might miss it altogether.)

I guess that's why the Loose Change club tries to co-opt dead legends only - since the best you can do with live [?] people is a couple of burnt-out hacks like Rosie O'Donnell.

Enjoy!

It's this one, 58 minutes in:
Vyz on Gorightly’s show
There was also a 9-part series he did on Ian Slater's Orwell: The Road to Airstrip One, which I think he refers to in the interview. (I can put them up on rapidshare/megaupload if anyone wants them.)

I'll pass on that thanks, I'd like to wait until I'm reincarnated asa dog before I eat other people's vomitus.

And incidentally, Bertrand Russell experimented with children, encouraging pre-pubertal sexual activity between them so as to look into the long-term effects this would have (fully backed by the Crown). He was not a good egg, though some people seem to want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Nothing like slandering a dead man, is there? Knowing he can't sue you and all that?

Are you so unbelievably opaque of mind that you swallow lies like this? Russell advocated sex education for children, not sex, but please feel free to keep slandering the names of some of great thinkers of the past century.

Fortunately, nobody less-deluded than yourself will listen to a word of it.

 

[dudalb]

Orwell is turning over in his grave on how his work is being misused and distorted by various wackjobs.
Even New Nazis,who Orwell would have despised without end,are quoting him for their purposes.
ANd I agree that Orwell would rip apart the Truth Movement like they have not been ripped apart yet.

 

[mjd1982]

So he started believing conspiracy theories in his 90s... do we really have to speculate on why?

LMAO!!!

You guys never fail to entertain me!

 

[Drudgewire]

LMAO!!!

You guys never fail to entertain me!

Back atcha bro.

 

[Stellafane]

So he started believing conspiracy theories in his 90s... do we really have to speculate on why?

Too bad he isn't still alive; he might raise the average age of the TM movement past 15 all by himself.

 

[beachnut]

The following quotes come from The Impact of Science on Society (1953) and The Scientific Outlook (1931), by Lord Bertrand Russell:

Edited by Katana: 

Edited to remove rule 4 breach. For links to removed material, see this post.

Russell died because he was way too happy living.
What a bunch of junk at those web sites! Wasted time.
Chemtrails? LOL - I found it true, if you post web sites with reference to chemtrails, the people who operate the web sites are too far gone to qualify as nut case tin foil hat clowns. What does that leave?

 

[The Atheist]

Orwell is turning over in his grave on how his work is being misused and distorted by various wackjobs.
Even New Nazis,who Orwell would have despised without end,are quoting him for their purposes.
ANd I agree that Orwell would rip apart the Truth Movement like they have not been ripped apart yet.

That's the ironic thing, it highlights the depths of ignorance of the person saying it. You'd only have to read a tiny bit of Orwell to realise that he completely understood the teenage mind, its rebellious nature and the way it can be easily misled into believing utter tripe.

Far from spinning in his grave, it's times like this I wish there were an afterlife - Orwell would be having a few belly laughs, I'd say. He'd certainly see the funny side of the very people he mocked using his words in their own defence.

 

[matrixcutter]

Incidentally, there is an interview on vyzygoth.com this week, in which he mentions the book within the book in 1984, and how he believes that Orwell was revealing some information about scientific/technological development.

"Vyzygoth"? How quaint.

It sounds to me as though the bloke has eaten a bad burger and is trying to get rid of the mess he vomited out by getting other people to eat it. Obviously works. Anyone, even a child, who is stupid enough to believe that Orwell was interested in technological development or trying to reveal it is clearly dumber than the "vyzygoth" thing, which would make it of an IQ unable to find shoelaces, never mind tie them.

That was an interesting rant, thanks. You obviously chose not to listen to what you are dismissing, like all truly open-minded people would. All you managed was a worthless rationalisation of why you don't need to, which wasn't even intended to contain any truth.

Learn a little about Orwell before you try to lie him into anything, because your idiot heroes demonstrably have no clue.

Not only have I already learned a little about Orwell, but I haven't tried to "lie him into anything", unlike you.

Orwell himself was a hater of lies and he would have sliced people like Dylan Avery and Alex Jones into pieces so small their mothers wouldn't recognise them. (Not to mention that his sarcasm was so sharp, half-brains like those two might miss it altogether.)

Let me guess, you are allowed to spout stuff like this because you have studied his life properly, but you still missed some of the significances of 1984, and will never allow yourself to examine them because you are too clever.

I guess that's why the Loose Change club tries to co-opt dead legends only - since the best you can do with live [?] people is a couple of burnt-out hacks like Rosie O'Donnell.

Do you realise that the questioning of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory exists outside of the Loose Change thing?

It's this one, 58 minutes in:
Vyz on Gorightly’s show
There was also a 9-part series he did on Ian Slater's Orwell: The Road to Airstrip One, which I think he refers to in the interview. (I can put them up on rapidshare/megaupload if anyone wants them.)

I'll pass on that thanks, I'd like to wait until I'm reincarnated asa dog before I eat other people's vomitus.

Oh, you thought I'd like to hear from everybody who didn't want it. That's an unusual level of perceived self-importance you have there. And vomit seems to feature heavily in your venomous dialogue. Might want to work on that.

And incidentally, Bertrand Russell experimented with children, encouraging pre-pubertal sexual activity between them so as to look into the long-term effects this would have (fully backed by the Crown). He was not a good egg, though some people seem to want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Nothing like slandering a dead man, is there? Knowing he can't sue you and all that?

It's not slander because it's true, and the fact that he is dead is irrelevant. And we both know he wouldn't have sued me if he was still alive.

Are you so unbelievably opaque of mind that you swallow lies like this? Russell advocated sex education for children, not sex, but please feel free to keep slandering the names of some of great thinkers of the past century.

Not only did he advocate sexual activity between pre-pubescent children, he played an active role in experimenting with it.
It simply doesn't matter whether your insurmountably non-opaque mind can handle that or not.

 

[The Atheist]

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Quoted post edited by me: all lies and stupidity removed, evidence retained.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Let me guess, you are allowed to spout stuff like this because you have studied his life properly, but you still missed some of the significances of 1984, and will never allow yourself to examine them because you are too clever.

What is this significance to which you refer?

It's not slander because it's true, and the fact that he is dead is irrelevant. And we both know he wouldn't have sued me if he was still alive.

I notice that you have not yet cited a source. Are you ignoring my question because you cannot? You have already quoted Russell out of context, presenting sarcastic comments as literal, so I will assume that if Russell did say what you've claimed that you are once again quoting a sarcastic remark out of context.

Not only did he advocate sexual activity between pre-pubescent children, he played an active role in experimenting with it.
It simply doesn't matter whether your insurmountably non-opaque mind can handle that or not.

Can you provide some evidence to support this assertion?

 

[The Atheist]

That was an interesting rant, thanks.

Another one on the way!

I just wanted to counterpoint the actual evidence you've presented so far before coming back and helping you bury yourself even deeper.

You obviously chose not to listen to what you are dismissing, like all truly open-minded people would. All you managed was a worthless rationalisation of why you don't need to, which wasn't even intended to contain any truth.

No, this is where you make a category error. "Vyzygoth" is some child who has gathered other children to make an "archive" of childish CTs. Given that I almost certainly completed my first dissertation on 1984 prior to the birth of "Vyzygoth" and his erstwhile pals, what on earth would make me think that some ill-educated, Illumanti Conspiracy child could possibly say anything to me about that book? We live in a world where anyone can propagate the most ridiculous theories of conspiracies thanks to the medium we're both using - the internet. You are forunate in finding a forum which has no issues with trolls, people who take statements out of context to assist with their perverse agendas and where slander of the dead is completely allowable.

You play very well.

The usual rules are:

Complete absence of factual evidence
Assertions by semi-literate poster
Use of historical figures for emphasis, without having any idea of what those people actually stood for.

Just to confirm my worst fears, I even went and looked at some of your friend Vyzygoth's babbling. Aside from the absolute hilarity at a poster using "Gordon Comstock" as a psuedonym promoting Illuminati CT, the site is expectedly bereft of humour, intelligence or evidence. Vyzygoth and his ilk are cowards, plain and simple. While slandering and disrespecting people whose feet they were unfit to lick in life, they try to buy some notoriety and fame. Picking on targets who cannot fight back, it's the gutless attempt of a few feeble individuals - like Avery & Jones - who never grew the testicular fortitude to do something. Maggots on a rotting carcase.

See, using Orwell and his characters to try to claim a moral high ground in CT debates is a level of silliness as yet unknown to me. I rate that type of silliness alongside someone who would start a picnic in the fast lane of motorway at noon, while carrying 25 kg of nitro-glycerine and juggling live hand grenades.

Not only have I already learned a little about Orwell, but I haven't tried to "lie him into anything", unlike you.

Two lies in one sentence. Seen my sig? You guys are usually pretty tight with Hitler - hating Jews and all that.

You have demonstrably learnt nothing about Orwell as a man. Had you even the most basic knowledge, you wouldn't attempt to make absurd claims about him and his writing.

Let me guess, you are allowed to spout stuff like this because you have studied his life properly, but you still missed some of the significances of 1984, and will never allow yourself to examine them because you are too clever.

Here, you're even partly right - I have made a major study of Orwell's life and writings.

The second part, however, again only emphasises the depths of your ignorance. 1984 is but one book of hundreds of pieces that Orwell had published during his life. There are literally dozens of examples of what Orwell thought, what he meant and how to interpret his writing. Unlike you and your pals, not only have I read those pieces, but I understand them. See, this is why Orwell is the worst possible choice to try to lie about. The man was an open book - his feelings, his life, his writing; all perfectly clear.

1984 is not some obscure document like the bible, or Nostradamus, where multiple translations and thousands of years fudge the history. You can bleat all you like about 1984 and Orwell, and again, as my sig notes, some people will listen. While they're listening, they also get to see what I say in answer to you.

I'm pretty happy with my posts.

Orwell does have one thing you have clearly taken to heart:

Ignorance is Strength. You're living it!

Do you realise that the questioning of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory exists outside of the Loose Change thing?

Yes, I understand it's also popular in mental institutions. I don't know whether you've ever read any of your great countryman, Mark Twain's, books, but well over a century ago, he pointed out that no matter how ridiculous something was, or no matter how guilty a criminal might be, there are people who will support it/him. How he would chuckle at your posts.

That people are friendless enough that they join into 9/11 CT to gain group entry is pretty sad. You do realise that the world is laughing at them, don't you?

Oh, you didn't? You thought everyone was behind Dylan, Alex & the Gang?

Sorry mate.

Oh, you thought I'd like to hear from everybody who didn't want it. That's an unusual level of perceived self-importance you have there. And vomit seems to feature heavily in your venomous dialogue. Might want to work on that.

Vomit features prominently as it's the only metaphor I can find which matches the level of absurdity. I've explained above why I wouldn't read crap from Vyzygoth, you think I'd listen to him?

You want to discuss Orwell's books, any of them, start a thread and I'll give you chapter, page, verse and punctuation on why you're wrong. Tell your buddy Vyzygoth the same thing - I'd be glad to point out his errors, but I'm not about to listen to him crucify himself.

It's not slander because it's true, and the fact that he is dead is irrelevant. And we both know he wouldn't have sued me if he was still alive.

Is this an attempt to make the most errors in the shortest sentence? Pretty damn good try!

It is slander
It is not true
That he is dead is relevant
At this stage, it appears that we share no common knowledge at all
I am certain Russell would sue you

While you continue to be unable to present evidence, I shall continue to point out your cowardly errors and lies. Pray continue.

But! No naughty out-of-context quotes, please. This is an example of what you may not do:

In a Steven King book, King writes, as the father, during a father-daughter dialogue; "Come here, I want to [rape] you".

That would not be considered evidence that King wants to rape his daughter.

Not only did he advocate sexual activity between pre-pubescent children, he played an active role in experimenting with it.

Slander without evidence against a dead genius. That's possibly the most cowardly thing I've ever seen - describing a dead bloke as a paedophile on no evidence whatsoever.

Oh wait. There is one other possibility....

Are you and your buddies so unbelievably obtuse that you see Russell's arguments for sex education to be in favour of paedophilia? I know there are people in the world dumb enough to believe that, I just didn't realise that any of them could use a keyboard.

It simply doesn't matter whether your insurmountably non-opaque mind can handle that or not.

Well, at least you admit your mind is opaque. Singularly so, in my opinion, but at least it's a start.

 

[matrixcutter]

You claim that quotes have been taken out of context, and were actually intended as sarcasm, as if Russell "sarcastically" believed in culling the population, for example, but your assertions are incorrect.

And the source is Russell's autobiography.

 

[The Atheist]

You claim that quotes have been taken out of context, and were actually intended as sarcasm, as if Russell "sarcastically" believed in culling the population, for example, but your assertions are incorrect.

And the source is Russell's autobiography.

I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but I'll say it again anyway:

PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE.

 

[Civilized Worm]

Yes, quotes. Things that have actually been said.

Was it the NWO bit you found funny? Give it another 5 years or so, you won't be laughing then.

Incidentally, I see you live on this side of the Pond, have you seen this documentary about the July 7th bombings?

Also, have you ever heard of Operation Gladio?

I hope you don't find these funny, if you choose to watch them of course.

I watched the 7/7 one. The music was pretty funny but apart from that it was too mild to be truly entertaining woo. If you do a search I'm sure you'll find plenty of thread about 7/7 in the CT forum.

 

[matrixcutter]

That was an interesting rant, thanks.

Another one on the way!

You're not wrong there.

You obviously chose not to listen to what you are dismissing, like all truly open-minded people would. All you managed was a worthless rationalisation of why you don't need to, which wasn't even intended to contain any truth.

No, this is where you make a category error. "Vyzygoth" is some child who has gathered other children to make an "archive" of childish CTs. Given that I almost certainly completed my first dissertation on 1984 prior to the birth of "Vyzygoth" and his erstwhile pals, what on earth would make me think that some ill-educated, Illumanti Conspiracy child could possibly say anything to me about that book?

He's 56 years old, and you are ignorant of things of which he is not ignorant.
I like how you know nothing about him but feel arrogant enough to call him ill-educated. It shows class.

Just to confirm my worst fears, I even went and looked at some of your friend Vyzygoth's babbling.

I've never met him, incidentally.

Aside from the absolute hilarity at a poster using "Gordon Comstock" as a psuedonym promoting Illuminati CT, the site is expectedly bereft of humour, intelligence or evidence.

So you listened to all of the mp3s in less time than the length of the mp3s? I find that impossibility rather difficult to believe.

Vyzygoth and his ilk are cowards, plain and simple. While slandering and disrespecting people whose feet they were unfit to lick in life, they try to buy some notoriety and fame.

Wonderfully wrong. I am amused by arrogance combined with ignorance, and you seem to be royalty.

Picking on targets who cannot fight back,

Are we still talking about the 56-year-old ill-educated child you know nothing about, or are we now in the vague realm of his "ilk", being comedically hypocritical?

it's the gutless attempt of a few feeble individuals - like Avery & Jones - who never grew the testicular fortitude to do something. Maggots on a rotting carcase.

Carry on criticising Avery and Jones if you feel the need, as if I value their opinions. It simply highlights the somewhat stereotypical position from which you speak. I wouldn't be surprised if you played the anti-semitic card ASAP.

Not only have I already learned a little about Orwell, but I haven't tried to "lie him into anything", unlike you.

Two lies in one sentence. Seen my sig? You guys are usually pretty tight with Hitler - hating Jews and all that.

Uncanny. Maybe next you could play the "CTers are mentally ill" card.

Incidentally, the second half of that quote and the 19-hijackers-overcame-America's-$40billion-defense-system-with-some-box-cutters conspiracy theory go together like arrogance and superiority complexes, dont'cha think?
There is another Russell quote that goes quite nicely here too:
There is no nonsense so arrant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action.

And, in this case, then comes the contradictory evidence.

You have demonstrably learnt nothing about Orwell as a man. Had you even the most basic knowledge, you wouldn't attempt to make absurd claims about him and his writing.

I know you get a bit excited easily and like to make these sweeping statements, but you simply don't know enough about me to make these statements. And what absurd claims have I made about Orwell?

Let me guess, you are allowed to spout stuff like this because you have studied his life properly, but you still missed some of the significances of 1984, and will never allow yourself to examine them because you are too clever.

Here, you're even partly right - I have made a major study of Orwell's life and writings.

The second part, however, again only emphasises the depths of your ignorance. 1984 is but one book of hundreds of pieces that Orwell had published during his life.

I know that. I never suggested that this was not the case, because I know that it is. Interesting that you would suggest otherwise though.

Orwell does have one thing you have clearly taken to heart:

Ignorance is Strength. You're living it!

Clever, I like it. What about war (on terror) is peace? Did that one not register with you?

Do you realise that the questioning of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory exists outside of the Loose Change thing?

Yes, I understand it's also popular in mental institutions.

What took you so long?

That people are friendless enough that they join into 9/11 CT to gain group entry is pretty sad.

That anybody would choose to suggest that speaking out about 9/11 is simply a symptom of having no friends is pretty desperate. And when you consider that many of those who lost their loved ones e.g. the people who made 9/11 Press For Truth, have also spoken out, it's actually quite a disgusting thing to say. You might as well go and find them and spit on them.

You do realise that the world is laughing at them, don't you?

I realise that there are still some people who are, yes. Most people have worked out that they have been lied to by now.

Oh, you didn't? You thought everyone was behind Dylan, Alex & the Gang?

Sorry mate.

There's really no need to apologise. You are just wrong.

Oh, you thought I'd like to hear from everybody who didn't want it. That's an unusual level of perceived self-importance you have there. And vomit seems to feature heavily in your venomous dialogue. Might want to work on that.

Vomit features prominently as it's the only metaphor I can find which matches the level of absurdity.

That's an interesting admission.

I've explained above why I wouldn't read crap from Vyzygoth, you think I'd listen to him?

Not at all. I'd expect you to go on a self-indulgent rant, displaying an amusing level of arrogance, dismissing everything you don't already know and explaining why you don't need to listen to him, making several erroneous assumptions along the way. Looks like I hit the bullseye.

You want to discuss Orwell's books, any of them, start a thread and I'll give you chapter, page, verse and punctuation on why you're wrong. Tell your buddy Vyzygoth the same thing - I'd be glad to point out his errors, but I'm not about to listen to him crucify himself.

I'm not sure what you think he has said about Orwell, or why it is wrong, but I would like to know what you think the function of the book was.

Not only did he advocate sexual activity between pre-pubescent children, he played an active role in experimenting with it.

Slander without evidence against a dead genius. That's possibly the most cowardly thing I've ever seen - describing a dead bloke as a paedophile on no evidence whatsoever.

That's an interesting lie. I didn't describe Russell as a paedophile, and I still didn't slander him, even if you insist that I did. If it is slander, he slandered himself first.

Bertrand Russell was an elitist psychopath, working on behalf of The Establishment a.k.a. Huxley's "dominant minority".

 

[matrixcutter]

I watched the 7/7 one. The music was pretty funny but apart from that it was too mild to be truly entertaining woo. If you do a search I'm sure you'll find plenty of thread about 7/7 in the CT forum.

I'd like you to watch the 3-part BBC documentary on Operation Gladio, and then call it "woo". I'm sure you have it in you.

 

[matrixcutter]

I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but I'll say it again anyway:

PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE.

I've told you it's in Russell's autobiography. I'm not interested in whether or not you or anyone else believes it. If anybody wants to check into it, they can. Or you can pretend that it doesn't exist, or that his autobiography was taken out of context, or that the Jews did it, etc..