Questions for 9/11 Truthers

[Brainache]

Well it seems this A Train doesn't go to Sugar Hill in Harlem. This one just goes around in circles.

 

[A-Train]

They are?! Now your task has become so much more simple! All the troofers have to do is travel to SA and interview the al-Shehri brothers! I wonder why that hasn't been done yet? Proving that someone is alive is quite simple, and irrefutable. Of course, we all know that the reason this hasn't been done is that they're dead.

It is not my obligation to prove that they are alive. You are contending they were on the plane. You must prove that. You have never done so and never will. You will never be able to prove these alleged al-Qaeda men were actually on the plane. All you have is circumstantial junk like taped "confessions" on al-Jazeera and the word of the 9/11 Commission. The boarding gate video footage that would show us all who the hijackers are has mysteriously disappeared into thin air-- if indeed it was ever made.

I am working on the best information I have, which shows that several of they alleged hijackers are still alive in the Middle East and have stories of visiting the US and having their pockets picked there. Then you say these men are dead and I am supposed to fly to Saudi Arabia to prove to you they are still alive! That's like being accused of a crime and going to the Judge and saying, "You can't prove I'm guilty." To which the Judge replies, "Can you prove you're not?"

Whether they are alive or not in the Middle East is not crucial to my argument. You have failed to prove that the hijackers are who you say they are. I contend they were not the Arabs whose name was printed on their tickets. I have just as much proof they are who I say they are as you have proof they are who you say they are.

 

[Arus808]

It is not my obligation to prove that they are alive.

Wow, you have trouble understanding this basic concept:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you can't back up your claims; then you shouldn't be making them

You cant just come here, spout what you like and simply say" its not my obligation to do .... ". If you want us to believe what you say, you have to provide evidence to support your position.

So if you make a claim that the hijackers are still alive and partying it up like its 1999, then you should be supporting that claim with evidence (ie DNA on a cup of beer they drank from a date after 9/11/2001; witnesses testimony stating that the guy was over mowing his lawn, etc etc etc).

You are contending they were on the plane. You must prove that. You have never done so and never will. You will never be able to prove these alleged al-Qaeda men were actually on the plane. All you have is circumstantial junk like taped "confessions" on al-Jazeera and the word of the 9/11 Commission. The boarding gate video footage that would show us all who the hijackers are has mysteriously disappeared into thin air-- if indeed it was ever made.

Pot kettle black. Unfortunately for you, the taped conversations, and the flight manifests and the DNA samples provided at accident site, prove they were on the plane.

I am working on the best information I have, which shows that several of they alleged hijackers are still alive in the Middle East and have stories of visiting the US and having their pockets picked there.

Well, from this statement alone, you are working off of crap that was debunked ages ago. If that is the "best" you have, then you are stuck in 2003. Please join us in 2007

 

[maccy]

A-Train,

You contend that we have to prove the Commission Report version of events to you. Why? Why should we care what you think?

The world accepts that the events of 9/11 happened in the way the report describes. How are you going to convince the world otherwise?

If you don't think you can do this, you may as well give up now - because nothing is going to change.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

You're still failing, pal....

It is not my obligation to prove that they are alive. You are contending they were on the plane. You must prove that. You have never done so and never will. You will never be able to prove these alleged al-Qaeda men were actually on the plane. All you have is circumstantial junk like taped "confessions" on al-Jazeera and the word of the 9/11 Commission. The boarding gate video footage that would show us all who the hijackers are has mysteriously disappeared into thin air-- if indeed it was ever made.

I am working on the best information I have, which shows that several of they alleged hijackers are still alive in the Middle East and have stories of visiting the US and having their pockets picked there. Then you say these men are dead and I am supposed to fly to Saudi Arabia to prove to you they are still alive! That's like being accused of a crime and going to the Judge and saying, "You can't prove I'm guilty." To which the Judge replies, "Can you prove you're not?"

Whether they are alive or not in the Middle East is not crucial to my argument. You have failed to prove that the hijackers are who you say they are. I contend they were not the Arabs whose name was printed on their tickets. I have just as much proof they are who I say they are as you have proof they are who you say they are.

When you make ridiculous claims like these, you have to prove them. I don't have to write your term paper.

If these guys are being falsely accused of hijacking, terrorism, and mass murder, and they're actually alive and well in Saudi, they would have been interviewed by CNN and every other network by now, and signed that book deal.

Your theories are still failing all the laugh tests...Israeli commandos parachuting out of the planes just before they hit the buildings? That's a lot funnier than the WTC being knocked down by Sidewinder missiles from intercepting F-15s, but not as hilarious as the idea that the planes were actually holograms.

And you still haven't explained yourself on the topic of your anti-Semitism. I really don't care about your idiotic ideas, because the world is full of silly ideas. I'm more interested in how you got to your anti-Semitism, and why.

I'm also interested in why you're here...by now you should have figured out that this is not exactly a friendly audience or a neutral one that will be shifted to your side by the power of your rhetoric. My only guess is that you're getting off on all the attention you're gaining from this "debate," and that it's making up for some hole in your life. You'd do better on CODOH or Stormfront in gaining adherents.

But I have to admit, reading your stuff is at least entertaining...sort of like an old Three Stooges comedy, with you as all three stooges.

 

[twinstead]

A-Train, the official story says the hijackers are dead. The evidence they use to claim that is out there for anybody in the the world to see.

If you claim otherwise, then it is up to YOU to prove they are indeed alive. And the only way to effectively prove that is to present evidence that one, just ONE hijacker who the official story claims is dead is really alive.

Easy, right? I mean YOU don't have to fly to SA, but somebody who thinks like you and is accusing people of mass murder better the hell should, don't you think?

Why are you screwing with the burden of proof? Is your argument that weak? What part of this don't you understand?

 

[A-Train]

A-Train, the official story says the hijackers are dead. The evidence they use to claim that is out there for anybody in the the world to see.

That's not totally true. The official story not only says they are dead, but that they died while carrying out the 9/11 attacks. The fact that they may be dead does not prove they were the 9/11 hijackers. That would be par for the course for patsies-- after setting them up like bowling pins, quietly put a bullet in their head and bury them in an unmarked grave. Similar to the fate of Lee Harvey Oswald-- only they had no choice but to dispatch him in a very messy, public manner.

If you claim otherwise, then it is up to YOU to prove they are indeed alive. And the only way to effectively prove that is to present evidence that one, just ONE hijacker who the official story claims is dead is really alive.

Here is my claim: that there is no proof that the 9/11 hijackers are who the government says they are. I don't have to prove anyone is alive to back that claim. Anyway, how could I show one of them is alive? You'd just say there is another so-and-so out there who is the real hijacker. And then I'd be expected to go chasing after him.

 

[JimBenArm]

It is not my obligation to prove that they are alive. You are contending they were on the plane. You must prove that. You have never done so and never will. You will never be able to prove these alleged al-Qaeda men were actually on the plane. All you have is circumstantial junk like taped "confessions" on al-Jazeera and the word of the 9/11 Commission. The boarding gate video footage that would show us all who the hijackers are has mysteriously disappeared into thin air-- if indeed it was ever made.

I am working on the best information I have, which shows that several of they alleged hijackers are still alive in the Middle East and have stories of visiting the US and having their pockets picked there. Then you say these men are dead and I am supposed to fly to Saudi Arabia to prove to you they are still alive! That's like being accused of a crime and going to the Judge and saying, "You can't prove I'm guilty." To which the Judge replies, "Can you prove you're not?"

Whether they are alive or not in the Middle East is not crucial to my argument. You have failed to prove that the hijackers are who you say they are. I contend they were not the Arabs whose name was printed on their tickets. I have just as much proof they are who I say they are as you have proof they are who you say they are.

Oh, you can't prove anything, so let's shift the burden of proof!

Nice try.

It's pretty evident you're a racist buffoon, and are grasping at straws to get someone here to take you serious. Sorry, but until you overcome your obvious racism, there is nothing more anyone here will take seriously from you.

 

[Horatius]

But I have to admit, reading your stuff is at least entertaining...sort of like an old Three Stooges comedy, with you as all three stooges.

I agree. At least A-Train is trying to blend some of the old elements into a new idea. So much better than another round of Loose Change Bashing.

Too bad his ideas are just as laughable.


Parachuting Israelis escaping through the landing gear? After tossing their guns out the windows? Gold!

 

[A-Train]

The world accepts that the events of 9/11 happened in the way the report describes. How are you going to convince the world otherwise?

First of all that isn't really true. The world does not consist of America and Europe. And even if it did, remember, "the world" accepted that the sun revolved around the earth in the age of Galileo.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Galileo...the old standby!

First of all that isn't really true. The world does not consist of America and Europe. And even if it did, remember, "the world" accepted that the sun revolved around the earth in the age of Galileo.

HAH! When in doubt, troofers, CTers and Woos always wrap themselves in the mantel of Galileo!

Hey, when you say the "world" accepted that the sun revolved around the earth in the age of Galileo, are you speaking for the entire planet at the time? Or just the leaders of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church?

And what do you think about Jews?

 

[twinstead]

First of all that isn't really true. The world does not consist of America and Europe. And even if it did, remember, "the world" accepted that the sun revolved around the earth in the age of Galileo.

By "the world" he meant all the structural engineers and anybody else qualified to judge whether the WTC buildings fell 'abnormally'.

This isn't Galileo's time. Your theory will be laughed at world-wide by experts because it is full of crap, not because the experts are locked in some kind of dogma.

Perhaps you would prefer to go to a forum where folks don't realize your little biased game for what it is.

Try http://www.godlikeproductions.com

You will fit right in.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Yup, that's right...go out and do your legwork...

That's not totally true. The official story not only says they are dead, but that they died while carrying out the 9/11 attacks. The fact that they may be dead does not prove they were the 9/11 hijackers. That would be par for the course for patsies-- after setting them up like bowling pins, quietly put a bullet in their head and bury them in an unmarked grave. Similar to the fate of Lee Harvey Oswald-- only they had no choice but to dispatch him in a very messy, public manner.

Here is my claim: that there is no proof that the 9/11 hijackers are who the government says they are. I don't have to prove anyone is alive to back that claim. Anyway, how could I show one of them is alive? You'd just say there is another so-and-so out there who is the real hijacker. And then I'd be expected to go chasing after him.

Yes, you're expected to go out and chase the real hijacker. You make a claim, you have to prove it. That's how the scientific and legal method works. If you don't know that, chat with a scientist and a trial lawyer. You're expecting everyone else to agree with your speculation, supposition, and theory...and then write your paper. Wrong answer. Your theory, you do the work.

Who did Galileo's papers, pal? Him or the Pope?

Oh, and so now we're going into the JFK assassination. I gotta hear this...how did those evil Joooooos dispatch Kennedy, and why?

 

[maccy]

Go on then A-Train, change the world!

Have you found a publisher yet?

Is there a media outlet interested in what you have to say? Anywhere in the world?

If what you've got to say is self-evidently true then you should have no problem getting the message out there.

I'd contend that your hypothesis has already been shown to be absolutely laughable by others in this thread.

If you have to make excuses for your failure to convince anybody here and your lack of successful career as a campaigner for your ideas then I'd suggest this just shows the extent of your denial.

 

[WildCat]

Hey, at least A-Train is actually putting together an actual CT! It's more than the other troofers have done. But the story is getting to be crazier and crazier...

 

[Horatius]

They laughed at Galileo!


Too bad they also laughed at Bozo the Clown!

 

[twinstead]

Hey, at least A-Train is actually putting together an actual CT! It's more than the other troofers have done. But the story is getting to be crazier and crazier...

I agree. At least A-Train's fantasy has a plot and players.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

It's an entertaining theory...

Hey, at least A-Train is actually putting together an actual CT! It's more than the other troofers have done. But the story is getting to be crazier and crazier...

It would make a good movie. Hollywood might render it with brave American commandos flying an airliner into the secret headquarters of Goldfinger, Octopussy, or some other James Bond-type villain. Matt Damon would play the leader of the commandos, Angelina Jolie as his karate-kicking love interest, Ben Affleck as his exec and rival for Angelina, who gets killed in the battle scene, Alan Rickman as the evil millionaire villain, Blair Underwood as the black "best friend" of Damon who is the brilliant engineer, and Charles Durning as the big boss back in Washington with whom Damon is in conflict, but secretly admires Damon for his guts.

Yeah, that would work.

 

[twinstead]

YWho did Galileo's papers, pal? Him or the Pope?

That's actually a good point. Who indeed did Galileo's papers? Did Galileo insist that the Pope prove the world was flat and leave it at that?

NO. Galileo understood what most scientists of his day did as well, and he wrote the papers and presented the evidence that it was true. And went against the Church!

And if you think the Evil American Government is worse than the Catholic Church of Galileo's time, you are sadly mistaken.

So, A-Train. Present your paper. Show us your evidence. Be a man (like Galileo was) and go against the Evil Red, White, and Blue Empire!

We await your leadership!

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Yeah, let's see that ol' Fuhrerprinzip in action!

That's actually a good point. Who indeed did Galileo's papers? Did Galileo insist that the Pope prove the world was flat and leave it at that?

NO. Galileo understood what most scientists of his day did as well, and he wrote the papers and presented the evidence that it was true. And went against the Church!

And if you think the Evil American Government is worse than the Catholic Church of Galileo's time, you are sadly mistaken.

So, A-Train. Present your paper. Show us your evidence. Be a man (like Galileo was) and go against the Evil Red, White, and Blue Empire!

We await your leadership!

Yeah, that's another thing I like about neo-Nazis...for all their blather, they're darned reluctant to actually do anything. Their activities come in three flavors:

1. Standing around in front of a Dunkin' Donuts or a county courthouse in Brownshirt uniforms, yelling "Sieg Heil" until the cops say, "Your parade permit just expired."

2. Holding beer-and-bratwurst fests of varying sizes in some backyard, where they denounce Jews, yell "Sieg Heil," get drunk, and then beat each other up once drunk.

3. Spout nonsense on the internet, usually in their own forums, but often in places like this, hoping to gain attention, converts, and a sense of self-importance that they lack in their own lives.

So tell us again how any or all of these behaviors will enable you and your pals to take power in America.