Question for twoofers who are NOT anti-semites

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Show me where I've connected those dots - you can't, because I've done no such thing.

Show us where you have condemned dot-connectery by twoofers.

 

[GregoryUrich]

You have done no such thing.

You linked to Scholars for Truth and Justice, whose most famous member (even if he is not the leader, Jones is still very much the public face of STJ9/11) has chronic and continuing associations with nazi-sympathizers. STJ9/11 thus far has done nothing to reign in Jones.

You linked to http://www.truthmove.org/content/2008-declaration/
Which is a dead link.

Finally you linked to 911research, who not only provides numerous links to David Griffin, Steven Jones and Morgan Reynolds, all of whom have close ties to nazi-sympathizers but even has at least one direct link to Eric Hufschmid.

The fact remains that the twoof movement has done absolutely nothing to distance itself from racism and bigotry.

And you all feel fine about it.

So how about you answer my original question? What, if anything, are you going to do with these people after your little revolution since you refuse to do anything now?

OK. One thing at a time. First, please define "nazi-sympathizer". Then, could you please demonstrate that Steve Jones, David Griffin and Morgan Reynolds have "close ties to nazi-sympathizers".

 

[GregoryUrich]

I'll say it again, Gregory:

LC cited the "American Free Press," DG Griffin gives interviews on white power radio, Steven Jones works with Holocaust Deniers and Alex Jones runs banner adds for racist publications.

The very cornerstones of your sick little movement have been citing and working with Nazi scum from day one and show no signs of stopping. So whether or not there's a policy against teaming up with such vile people is of no relevance if your "leaders" continue to do so.

I consider the cornerstones to be The Press For Truth Group, Paul Thompson, Ray McGovern, Cynthia McKinney and Dennis Kucinich.

Please back up your accusations with specific references.

 

[funk de fino]

I consider the cornerstones to be The Press For Truth Group, Paul Thompson, Ray McGovern, Cynthia McKinney and Dennis Kucinich.

The majority of the, admittedly small, TM would most likely disagree with you

Please back up your accusations with specific references.

 

[CHF]

I consider the cornerstones to be The Press For Truth Group, Paul Thompson, Ray McGovern, Cynthia McKinney and Dennis Kucinich.

You'd certainly be in the minority on that one, Gregory.

Please back up your accusations with specific references.

The story on DR Griffin's radio appearence is on the second forum page, if not the first, while the LC-AFP links are verifiable by watching one of the first two editions.

As for the rest, you know how to use the search function.

 

[GregoryUrich]

You'd certainly be in the minority on that one, Gregory.



The story on DR Griffin's radio appearence is on the second forum page, if not the first, while the LC-AFP links are verifiable by watching one of the first two editions.

As for the rest, you know how to use the search function.

I've taken a quick look at the AFP site. I see a considerable bias against Israel but I don't see anything supporting naziism or even anti-semetic. My father was persecuted by the Nazis so I am not unsensitive to these issues. I didn't get to the Revisionist History section yet. I'll get back to you on that one and DRG.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I've taken a quick look at the AFP site. I see a considerable bias against Israel but I don't see anything supporting naziism or even anti-semetic. My father was persecuted by the Nazis so I am not unsensitive to these issues. I didn't get to the Revisionist History section yet. I'll get back to you on that one and DRG.

AFP = Willis Carto. I cannot believe that an educated person does not know who he is, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Check out the books he published when he controlled Noontide Press. Does The Myth of The Six Million ring a bell? (Ask MaGZ, I'm sure he keeps a dog-eared copy under his pillow.)

 

[GregoryUrich]

AFP = Willis Carto. I cannot believe that an educated person does not know who he is, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Check out the books he published when he controlled Noontide Press. Does The Myth of The Six Million ring a bell? (Ask MaGZ, I'm sure he keeps a dog-eared copy under his pillow.)

Thanks FMW,

I have recently started a thread on The 9/11 Forum to highlight this issue. Not that I have ever been a fan of Alex Jones or a consumer of his "products", but I fear that many people, such as I, have been ignorant of these associations.

This is a good example of how truthers can find important information on JREF and why I try to maintain constructive relationships with many of the people here.

 

[GregoryUrich]

You'd certainly be in the minority on that one, Gregory.



The story on DR Griffin's radio appearence is on the second forum page, if not the first, while the LC-AFP links are verifiable by watching one of the first two editions.

As for the rest, you know how to use the search function.

I can only find reference to one article by LC. Are there more?

I haven't looked into DRG yet but Alex Jones clearly does not distance himself from racist and anti-jewish organizations.

 

[GregoryUrich]

You have done no such thing.

You linked to Scholars for Truth and Justice, whose most famous member (even if he is not the leader, Jones is still very much the public face of STJ9/11) has chronic and continuing associations with nazi-sympathizers. STJ9/11 thus far has done nothing to reign in Jones.

You linked to http://www.truthmove.org/content/2008-declaration/
Which is a dead link.

Finally you linked to 911research, who not only provides numerous links to David Griffin, Steven Jones and Morgan Reynolds, all of whom have close ties to nazi-sympathizers but even has at least one direct link to Eric Hufschmid.

The fact remains that the twoof movement has done absolutely nothing to distance itself from racism and bigotry.

And you all feel fine about it.

So how about you answer my original question? What, if anything, are you going to do with these people after your little revolution since you refuse to do anything now?

The link to TruthMove works for me, both in IE and in Chrome.

9/11 Research clearly exposes Nazi-sympathizers and condemns these ideas.

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

I have recently started a thread on The 9/11 Forum to highlight this issue. Not that I have ever been a fan of Alex Jones or a consumer of his "products", but I fear that many people, such as I, have been ignorant of these associations.

So? Context is key- if there is something anti-semitic in an article, we should condemn the article, not the general "link" to AFP. Do you think Alex Jones/LC should have a disclaimer that says they don't necessarily support all views of people they cite? What about Nick Terry (Historian of the Holocaust), does he need a disclaimer when quoting Hitler?

This is a good example of how truthers can find important information on JREF and why I try to maintain constructive relationships with many of the people here.

No, this is yet another example of JREF smearing truthers with illogical claims.

@GregoryUruch
Please read this article. I'm not a fan of Alex Jones either, but I'm definitely not a fan of ADL propaganda tactics.

@JREF
Show me the specifics or STFU.

 

[johnny karate]

So? Context is key- if there is something anti-semitic in an article, we should condemn the article, not the general "link" to AFP.

And is this the same standard you hold for "government" sources that provide evidence for the official version of events? The staggering irony here has already been pointed out, but it bears repeating.

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

And is this the same standard you hold for "government" sources that provide evidence for the official version of events? The staggering irony here has already been pointed out, but it bears repeating.

I have not rejected anything because it was "supplied by the government". I have rejected certain "evidence" from the government due to use of torture to gain information, contradiction to several other lines of testimony, lack of corroboration, etc. TM has used important information supplied by the government, FDR is a case in point.

 

[johnny karate]

And yet you dismiss out of hand a 10,000 page technical document simply because it comes from a government agency.

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

And yet you dismiss out of hand a 10,000 page technical document simply because it comes from a government agency.

You mean Nist? I reject its conclusions because it ignores certain data, bases its conclusions on unsupported assumptions, and uses logical fallacies (see the September Stundies Thread for my nomination).
JK, you remember that I said you had "pre-programmed responses". I have seen enough of your posts now to form a reasonably certain hypothesis. You, and other JREFers, exhibit what psychologists call "subconscious substitution and selection of data". E.g. Nowhere in my post about the FDNY did I claim that the I was "more brave" or "smarter" than the FDNY. Yet, you attempted to smear me with such nonsensical accusations in order to deny my reasoning.
Stop re-acting and THINK- you may come to different conclusions.

 

[GregoryUrich]

So? Context is key- if there is something anti-semitic in an article, we should condemn the article, not the general "link" to AFP. Do you think Alex Jones/LC should have a disclaimer that says they don't necessarily support all views of people they cite? What about Nick Terry (Historian of the Holocaust), does he need a disclaimer when quoting Hitler?


No, this is yet another example of JREF smearing truthers with illogical claims.

@GregoryUruch
Please read this article. I'm not a fan of Alex Jones either, but I'm definitely not a fan of ADL propaganda tactics.

@JREF
Show me the specifics or STFU.

Did you read my thread at The 9/11 Forum? Infowars has nearly 100 links to or articles from AFP.

Carto and several Spotlight staff members and writers have since founded a new newspaper called the American Free Press. The paper includes articles from syndicated columnists who have no direct ties to Carto or his organizations.
...
In 2004, Carto joined in signing the New Orleans Protocol on behalf of American Free Press. The New Orleans Protocol seeks to "mainstream our cause" by reducing internecine warfare. It was written by David Duke.

Read The New Orleans Protocol.

I have not spent enough time at the AFP to make a general judgement on the content other that it is clearly biased against Israel. Nonetheless the main link to The Barnes Review reveals Carto's true mission.

Some JREFers may be attempting to smear the truth movement, but it is clear that the truth movement has smeared itself by association with these repulsvie organizations. I think it is reasonable to expect statements from Alex Jones and Jason Bermas that they condemn racist and pro-nazi ideas.

 

[Foolmewunz]

So? Context is key- if there is something anti-semitic in an article, we should condemn the article, not the general "link" to AFP. Do you think Alex Jones/LC should have a disclaimer that says they don't necessarily support all views of people they cite? What about Nick Terry (Historian of the Holocaust), does he need a disclaimer when quoting Hitler?


No, this is yet another example of JREF smearing truthers with illogical claims.

@GregoryUruch
Please read this article. I'm not a fan of Alex Jones either, but I'm definitely not a fan of ADL propaganda tactics.

@JREF
Show me the specifics or STFU.

Is this just intentional blindness, or do you actually understand who Carto is and that he controls AFP?

Gregory,
A tip of my dollar-ninety-five fedora to you.
And just so's you know.... althought LCF are a non-entity now, back in the day, I posted here on just this topic. Specifically, why do supposed liberals give safe harbor to neo-nazis (the issue was the person I call The Little Nazi Girl - she had a swastika in her avatar, lifted from a White Power site). Russell posted it over at LCF and only IVXX made a point of asking that he be disassociated from any connections to nazis or holocaust deniers. Russell and DA evidently talked it over and accepted that her avatar was "saying that there are many ways to look at history", or something very close to that.

FMW

 

[johnny karate]

You mean Nist? I reject its conclusions because it ignores certain data, bases its conclusions on unsupported assumptions, and uses logical fallacies (see the September Stundies Thread for my nomination).

Bare assertion fallacy. Show me the calculations that disprove any of NIST's conclusions. Show me the consensus within the scientific community that rejects the NIST Report. Failing that, please explain to me why I should believe what you tell me about it.

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

Bare assertion fallacy. Show me the calculations that disprove any of NIST's conclusions. Show me the consensus within the scientific community that rejects the NIST Report. Failing that, please explain to me why I should believe what you tell me about it.

Its not a bare assertion fallacy. Like I said, look in the September Stundies thread for my nomination of NIST.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Boyz, boyz, boyz!

The topic is Anti-semitism in the truth movement and why the supposed leaders won't denounce it.

There are eleventy-seven other threads on NIST you can go play in.